Need PHPer

[Sawell]

Really quick job, it's just to make an iframe page with the necessary variables from the main site (nuke driven) and to edit the main site content link to that page, rather than external page.

In effect it's a form of keeping the traffic on my site, but showing external sites.

 

[Sawell]

this thread is frowned upon in two ways..

1. Personal gain.
2. Leeching others sites and promoting as your own is a) gay and b) illegal.

1. I never said the coder wouldn't be paid; I would have thought it would be obvious I don't expect free work.

2. There is no "leeching", the website promotes a service and external sites publish THEIR service within mine, the content is still their own, they still get traffic... it enables the user to rate and report the content should it be incorrect/broken. I am giving them traffic, not the other way around. Do you even know the legalities behind website promotion? There is no current law for iframe link management; if I was to rip the content and claim it as my own then that's a different issue all together.

Kindly take your assumptions elsewhere.

 

[Sawell]

Which would mean that the coder is getting personal gain from OCUK and it's not allowed

If you could direct me to that post I'd be grateful.

Applying logic and common sense I would imagine that rule is to weed out merchant hardware sellers, who would be in competition with OCUK.

Posting for advice in the hardware section and getting a response which is helpful is surely personal gain? Don't be pathetic.

EDIT: Pfft and coming from a fellow Southamptoner too, for shame.

 

[Sawell]

Perhaps you'd get a better response if you obeyed the rules of a forum you're clearly unfamiliar with?

There is a well-established rule of HG&P that dictates you can't offer or request paid work. We're a community that helps each other, for free, with genuine requests, we don't want this turning into something where people who want work done exploit the posters' knowledge or where people come here solely to find work: that's contrary our main principles.

It takes a lot of effort and goodwill to maintain a forum like this: don't be surprised if regulars are less than enthusiastic when new members come in and try to spoil it

They can do it for free if they like, I'm not forcing them to take money from me. I'm not hiring anyone; the payment would be a gift, a donation. A member challenged me claiming that my personal gain was in interest, then I flipped it and you come back claming I can't now post because someone else's personal gain is inflicted? Please, give me a break here - I'm trying to get a hand with some php coding I don't understand, that doesn't break the [[sorry about language]] rules, the sole purpose of this entire forum is clearly for help and guidance.

FYI I’m not promoting business interests, and payment doesn’t have to be made – and won’t be made, if it is against the rules. However idiotic it is to STOP me from saying thank you to a member with payment, because clearly this whole situation has been blown out of proportion, you all need to take a step back and look at what you’re actually saying.

You are still promoting their site as your own. The address bar will point to your domain, not theirs. However as you have stated it's a pay service where they will pay you to include their site, you will obviously have their consent.

Oh, and as for "web site promotion" legalities - there is one massive law you seem to have overlooked in that statement - Copyright.

That's complete bull, and no, it's not a pay service.

Why don't you go to a well established site that's “breaking” these “copyright laws”, one that springs to mind is www.tutorialized.com and spout your [[sorry about language]] at them, your post is completely idotic... that's like claiming firefox have to get copyright on every single website in the world to publish their content, why don't you think before you type?

 

[Sawell]

No, you mis-interpreted.

Cool down, read the FAQ, and go elsewhere to dedicated sites which exist to serve your needs.

So let me get this right, a member below this post can request a photoshop graphic but I can't request a piece of code?

Yeah, logical.

Completely idiotic.. right..

Have some (read: shedloads) of reading material

also, you still stand to gain benefit - it is an inclusion that you are going to pay.. sorry, "donate to" the developer.. (do you honestly think the mod's will fall for that old chestnut?) not a flip.

I don't see any evidence of copyright infringement with your google search, only people talking about bad coding aspects. Oops!

 

[Sawell]

I think you're all being silly

If he even just worded the post differently, along the lines of:

"I'm using phpnuke and want to display a site in an iframe, but it'll need php to load up the sites url from the database, depending on what link the user clicked to get to the iframe page... how do I do that?"

Then I bet you wouldn't be moaning so much... it's only because he said it in a slightly more demanding way...

I've never used php nuke so don't know exactly where the desired website URL to go in the iframe will come from. Otherwise I'd help and post the code here, for everyone to see. So there'd be no personal gain, just gain for everyone who wants to know.

TBH you did pretty much bully him into saying he'd pay - telling him off for asking for it, then to counter the personal gain argument he said he'd pay, then you moaned about that too

Plus the copyright/legality of showing another site within yours... it's totally legal. To make it illegal, you'd have to load up the contents of the website and display it in your site without any of their branding, etc. An iframe will show their website exactly how it's supposed to be shown - just in a frame. No legal problems there at all.

Also, frames aren't always bad IMO - they are bad to base your website design around, but there are often some good reasons to use them, and tbh I think this is one of the good reasons to use them - when you don't want people leaving your site.

Thank you so much, was starting to doubt myself lol.

Photoshop one is fun. Your request is commercial.

We're good at spotting this by now.

This is not the place for such requests. Read the FAQ.

You're lucky I'm not a moderator anymore

Commercial use using phpnuke? Don't make me laugh! I moderate a graphics section on the Legend of Mir Community Network (http://www.lomcn.co.uk/forum), I wanted to give the people I help out with photoshop queries a place they could go and find tutorials and for the more experienced members a hub where they could submit them, the hosting is costing me, the domain is costing me... I'm not going to make any return, nor break even - I don't believe in ads, I'm purely doing it to help the members. I don't appreciate people making such assumptions, and in all honesty I think maybe you should review your "great spotting skills". It seems that if you were still a moderator you would have made a pretty stupid mistake.

If I were making a commercial website the last thing I would use is a common CMS, think!

I think it's disgusting that I should have to explain myself fully for people to lay off, I've been accused of rule breaking, law breaking, incompetence, ignorance. I figured OCUK was a thriving community hub that probably had people with PHP knowledge that could help me out, although it appears all that is here are a bunch of members craving for some kind of e-peen boost by picking holes in everything in the hope that they might prove someone wrong? In aid of what? A hopeful moderation spot? Reputation? Oh wait, no, you're doing a service to the community? Yeah, whatever.

End of rant.

RTM'd already

You're alright, I'm gone mate.

 

[Sawell]

Don't dissapear.This was just blown out of proportion like you say. Forgive and forget, this forum's a very useful place. Just edit out your sweary and let this thread drop for now

Now look what you done, guys! I hope you're proud of yourself

You're right I've edited my posts to be user-friendly (I normally figure that forums have censors so my foul typing doesn't come across).

I guess we were slightly wrong, but unfortunately we're used to it especially with the way posts were worded. I certainly believed it was commercial as did others. Sowwie - hug and make-up!

I would help, but I don't know a thing about phpnuke unfortunately.

Looking back I realise my initial presence did seem rather commercial, I would love a hug.

Regardless of whether or not it's a commercial site, employing a member is still against the rules.

It might seem paradoxical at first, but surely you can see why the rule is there? We want people coming to the forums that will contribute and give their time for free, not people who come here to get paid—just as we don't want people exploiting the community by using it to get their work done.

I'm sure nobody meant to be aggressive to you, it's just the forum is awesome and I for one would like it to stay awesome.

So by definition members that employ others in the hardware section to find them a rig for £X are breaking the rules? And people that ask for graphics to be made are breaking the rules? Sorry, but it's hardly justifiable... and if it's regarding my reasoning for offering money was clearly because I was pushed into a corner by a member claiming I couldn't ask for help because it benefited me or some such thing, which was how it came across. And then as soon as I did that I was in the wrong too, do you start to see the story here of my losing battle?

 

[Sawell]

I'm talking strictly about HG&P, although I fail to see how "spec me a rig" threads fall under what I said by any stretch of the imagination.

To clarify, in HG&P, this is frowned upon:

"Design me a site for free"
"Design me a site, I will pay!"

and this isn't:

"I've been working at designing a site, can someone give me a hand?"

Of course, some people are more flexible than others, but that's the general gist of what will get accepted and what won't. We're a learning resource, not a talent pool

I make sure I look out for any sticky relating to rules when I post in a forum, due to the apparent lack of rules for this one there is no reason what-so-ever any new member should be expected to know that, and taking into account that the statement is purely just a re-organising of wording and approach it seems so petty and pitiful that it's almost acceptable a moderator decided not to make a rule sticky stating that within it.

I've moderated, administered and been a member of 10s of forums in my time and although that's a relatively "nice" rule to have around, it's not amazingly practical in the digital world we live in, and what's more it needs to be stated prior to the member before he/she posts. This whole situation is completely ridiculous; it's like a mob of people hurling abuse at you in the street because you stepped on a crack; which is frowned upon where they come from.

 

[Sawell]

If we had a dedicated mod I'm sure it'd get stickied, heh.

Also, nobody "hurled abuse" at you: keep the rhetoric out of this, if you please

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy

 

[Sawell]

If you had of posted "This is what I've got so far - can anyone see any improvements" or similar, I would not have pounced.

Not to mention I wouldn't have got the help I needed.

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Mod feel free to lock this thread now, I've found someone who is currently taking me through it.