Need some advice on what step to take with lifting/cardio

The reason that you are getting conflicting information is because there are lots of ways to do the same things and peoples bodies are different. Try a few suggestions and find the one your body responds to best.

As others have said, bulking would probably be best for now as you are a reasonible shape and it will be easier to loose the surpless fat after you build some muscle.

You could also take a look that the rippetoes workout as this has seen good results in some.

Don't get in to it too heavy, too fast. I would repectfully disagree with ben on not using an empty bar. Whilst loading to an easy weight will allow you to build the weight up faster, the point of the empty bar is to get the form sorted out before adding the weight. It is building the fundementals. If you have not done any weight training before and are not generally fit then you will probably find the empty bar is the required starting point for some lifts anyway (bench press, shoulder press for example). I know it was for me. The weight will go up quickly enough. The worst thing you can do is push too hard at the beginning and get an injury. I know for experience :(. The last thing you need is three weeks off because you pushed to hard, too fast.

After you are a month or two in then you can really hit it hard. Don't get me wrong, you do need to push but back off when you get any pain rather than trying to push through it. Muscle exhaustion and lactic acid buildup burning sensation is not the sort of pain I mean :D.

Try exrx.net for their great exercise directory which give advice and animated gifs for correct form.

Record your diet and post it up here after, say, a week and people can help steer you in a better direction if needed.

Set reasonible goals. Without a goal then what have you got to work towards.

RB
 
Quick question, if I wanted to see maximum gains in the quickest time - would it be best to do Rippetoes 3x5 or Stronglifts 5x5 or would it not matter?
 
It doesn't matter. Try both and see which you prefer if you like. Eating properly and lifting properly are far more important.

I can say from experience that you can lift til the cows come home...once noob gains come to a halt, your progression will only be as good as your diet.
 
In terms of protein-carbs-fat should I be looking at splitting it 50-25-25 or more like 33-33-33 (Got these from the rippetoes/bodybuilding forum for chubbies :D)? Also, when I do their calculation for calories - I get 3400 calories (slightly more than your 3000 recommendation), will this just increase the fat I take on as I bulk?

Should I be looking at 1g or 2g+ of protein per day for muscle gains/fat loss (I know the two can't happen at the same time) but I know that the body is required to work harder to digest the protein so is more better?
 
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Something like 40/30/30 fat/pro/carb is pretty good, but honestly dont get too worried about it to start with, just concentrate on getting the protein in and meeting overal calories. 3400 is too much for you and will probably convert to more fat if your just doing 5x5, unless you have a very active lifestyle. 1g per pound of bodyweight is ideal for building muscle, no need to go over that :)
 
Cheers ben ;)

But.. if I was doing say.. 40/30/30 then my protein intake would need to be 1200 calories which is 300g protein which is 1.7g per every lb. :p I just like to draw up a plan and stick to it.. that way I can track how exactly how I am doing. Otherwise I worry that I have gone off track. That's my reason for asking for the ratios :)

EDIT: Ah, I see now that you did fat/protein/carb ;) Still.. that's 1.3g/lb

Also.. 1200 calories coming from carbs - is that too many if im trying to keep off as much fat as possible?
 
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Ah, it was just a rough guide, but something around there should be spot on.

Over all calories determines how much fat you put on, carbs themselves dont ;) You could drink olive oil all day but as long as you expend more calories than you take in, its impossible to gain weight.

Have your last meal about 2-3 hours before you hit the sack as it will help you to sleep well and wont interupt your growth hormone release (cheers FF :p)
 
Ok, I have drawn up a diet plan however I need a bit of help switching some things around.

This is what I have at the moment:

(Breakfast) 7:00am (452.5 calories)
1 cup x Semi Skimmed Milk (8.1/11.4/4.8)
1 x Omelette with 3 eggs and mushrooms (19.1/6.2/19)
1 x Orange (1.2/15.4/0.16)
(Snack) 9:00am (255 calories)
1 cup x Cottage cheese (27.1/5.5/5.3)
1 x Apple (0.36/19.1/0.23)
(Lunch) 12:00pm (614.1 calories)
1 x Chicken breast (cooked in olive oil) (62.1/0/17.8)
1 cup x Frozen mixed vegetables (5.2/23.8/0.27)
1 x Apple (0.36/19.1/0.23)
(Snack) 2:00pm (322.8 calories)
1 tin x Tuna (42.6/0/1.4)
2 cup x Lettuce (.5/1.6/0.07)
2 x Tomato (1.6/7.1/0.36)
1 x Pear (0.63/25.7/0.2)
(Pre-workout) 4:00pm (99.8 calories)
1 x Pre-workout shake (36.6/9.3/3.9)
(Post-workout) 5:00pm (410.8 calories)
1 x Post-workout shake (36.6/9.3/3.9)
1 cup x ground oats (13/54.3/5.1)
(Dinner) 7:00pm (684.74 calories)
1 x Chicken breast (cooked in olive oil) (62.1/0/17.8)
1 cup x Whole wheat pasta (10.1/51.5/3.1)
1 cup x Spinach (0.86/1.1/0.12)
1 cup x Pineapple chunks (0.84/19.6/0.19)
(Supper) 10:00pm (183.2 calories)
1 cup x Cottage cheese (27.1/5.5/5.3)

Total: 3022.94 calories (+22.94 more than I am supposed to be eating)

Protein is exceeded by 131.05g
Carbs are exceeded by 26.1g
I need to eat 45.7g more fats

Please help? :p Is there anything that I should remove/add/switch? I think I need to shift more of the carbs to post workout.

All figures in brackets are in the format (Protein/Carbs/Fat)
 
Looks good but I'd try slowly upping from your current cals personally. Might struggle to chow down that much otherwise. You can get good fats from nuts, but be careful they're very calorie rich.

Your definitely on the right track though, i'd just be 'lean bulking' from your starting point. Once you start gaining muscle your metabolism will ramp up a lot and help burn off some fat hopefully.
 

Ditch the milk in the morning, have less oats post workout, and add some nuts/peanut butter? I'm currently trying to look for more good fat sources myself.
Although personally if I where you I wouldnt be looking at bulking currently (possibly lean bulking with main focus on cutting down body fat %, should be easily possible if you're a beginner and stick to a good diet).
 
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How would I lean bulk AND cut body fat? How many calories should I be looking to consume and in what ratios?

the 40/30/30 f/p/c suggested seems pretty good, add in some cardio/HIIT and you'll be well on your way. Just 3000 cal's seems a lot to me as a beginner. Taper the calories up the way and see how your body/weight/bodyfat % responds.
 
62g of protein in 1 chicken breast? Where you buying those from! :D

Any chance of moving your dinner closer to post workout? Take the shake as soon as you finish the gym and have dinner asap when you get home. Your largest meal should be post workout as thats when your body will make the most of it, not to say it wont make good use of food anyway! Then have your cottage cheese a couple hours before you sleep and dont eat anything after.

Not sure if the pre workout shake is really needed, just have a bannana or something like that about 30 mins prior, doesnt sound like much but your body will get used to the time frames in which you eat after a week or so.

For your morning snack take out the cottage cheese and replace with a handful of nuts like almonds/walnuts and a 50g cheese maybe. Take out the pear at lunch.

A few changes I would make personally, but its upto you.
 
Thanks ben :p the chicken breast is what fitday says :eek:

Will make those changes and re-post what I have :) don't like banana's though! What else could I use?
 
Ok, I have revised the plan. How's this look:

(Breakfast) 7:00am (330.5 calories)
1 x Omelette with 3 eggs and mushrooms (19.1/6.2/19)
1 x Orange (1.2/15.4/0.16)
(Snack) 9:00am (476.4 calories)
70g x Walnuts (14.9/13.8/35.4)
1 x Apple (0.36/19.1/0.23)
(Lunch) 12:00pm (614.1 calories)
1 x Chicken breast (cooked in olive oil) (62.1/0/17.8)
1 cup x Frozen mixed vegetables (5.2/23.8/0.27)
1 x Apple (0.36/19.1/0.23)
(Snack) 3:00pm (322.8 calories)
1 tin x Tuna (42.6/0/1.4)
2cup x Lettuce (.5/1.6/0.07)
2 x Tomato (1.6/7.1/0.36)
1 x Pear (0.63/25.7/0.2)
(Post-workout) 6:00pm (322.4 calories)
1 x Post-workout shake (36.6/9.3/3.9)
60g x ground oats (8.2/40.9/4.1)
(Dinner) 6:30pm (684.74 calories)
1 x Chicken breast (cooked in olive oil) (62.1/0/17.8)
1 cup x Whole wheat pasta (10.1/51.5/3.1)
1 cup x Spinach (0.86/1.1/0.12)
1 cup x Pineapple chunks (0.84/19.6/0.19)
(Supper) 9:00pm (183.2 calories)
1 cup x Cottage cheese (27.1/5.5/5.3)

Calories: 2997.94

Protein is exceeded by 39.55g
Carbs are exceeded by 0.3g
I still need 25.3g of healthy fats

In response to other posts - why don't you think I should bulk?
 
Looks better, you could add anither egg at break in your omelete and then put some cheese on the top, which should sort your fat total.

100g of chicken breast usualy equates to around 30g of protein, how much are you having altogether? You could also buy chicken drumsticks/thighs, not as good quality but their damn cheap.

It would be a good idea to invest in some omega 3 caps to keep your 3/6/9 ratios in order, todays foods severly lack any sort of omega 3 which comes mainly from oily fish. Speaking of which, you could swap one of the chicken breasts for some salmon or mackeral a couple days a week, and also a good steak 1/2 times a week to give good variety, thats as long as you can afford it.
 
Thanks ben, I am just wondering about what other people have been saying about 'lean bulking'. What would I be best to do? Follow the 3k calorie plan or consider something else? I am a bit confused as I want to try and lose the fatty appearance and not put on any extra fat if I can help it.

What do you suggest?
 
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Haven't read the entire thread but it always amazes me when people come asking for advise on how to get in shape because they don't like the way they look and they get advised to start BULKING??

That could go horribly wrong IMO. I can't give much advise on how you should go about it as I don't spend much time doing cardio myself, but my input would be to try and cut some weight to a) start looking leaner for summer and more importantly b) to PROVE to yourself that you can do it.

This might sound strange but I find it hard to stick to cutting regimes (not really a problem at the moment as I only weigh 11stone 3lbs and I'm still fairly lean), and I'm sure lots of other people find it hard aswell. By all means think about bulking up in future but if you are worried about weight now then do you really want to aim to put more on?
 
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