NEED URGENT HELP...

.Kencs said:
They are coming out tomorrow, and no-doubt it will be expensive, but he is also going to write up a report to show it isnt our fault they are blocked, but I have to check the front drain to make sure i dont look an idiot :)
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Assuming you lift the cover and find no blockage what are you planning to do?

If you pay dynarod it sounds like you'll have trouble recovering the money from your neighbour.

Find out if any other houses join "his" drain before it connects to the shared inspection chamber.
 
.Kencs said:
He is doing my head in now. My wife just rang saying he came round today and is still insisting it is our responsibility, He brought some plans round which show the drain going under our back garden, down the side of the house, then ours joins on to theirs by ANOTHER damn man hole at the front of our garden in the corner buried under loads of soil, we never knew we had, but surely wouldn't that means the water would back up to my front drainage if they are connected, and not just through the back which his is directly connected to?

I'm going to go home tonight, pull up that drain cover, and check if there is a blockage. If there aint, Im dragging him down, if there is, then fair enuff I will get it looked into on my side but my drains in front garden would surely back up?

In regards to the 'Fourstars' comment, the man-hole cover had 2 halves of a slab on the top we use to put a plant pot on, their guy has lifted this and left it like it, making it worst, but has no touched the man-hole cover...
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As said, if your manhole was blocked then you would have issues. It's his pipe to your manhole.
 
Forgot to add, last night, me and my neighbour went door to door asking if they had problems with their drains. The 2 houses next to him, and the 2 houses next to mine.
His next door neighbour (1) wasn't sure as they stupidly covered over the man-hole cover and cermented it in. Neighbour (2) said they have had no problems, no smells, no water around the drain, BUT they have been doing LOADS of building work with rubble, which could be the cause and they dont want to check / admit it.

Both my neighbours had no issues either...

So, its either from Neighour (2) and the rubble/crap from ground work, Neighbour I'm starting to seriously dislike and doesnt want to admit it, even tho he admitted 3 years ago his wife use to put face wipes down the toilet and they had this issue before, or it is a blockage caused by us, but I cant see how...

If the blockage was caused by us, wouldn't the water back up our drive-way aswell???
 
Envoy said:
Try the environmental health department, they can help sort this stuff out.
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Yeah, I agree.

A friend of mine suggests you contact them as it's a 'public health' matter.

They should be able to help you and get something done.

Hope you get it sorted! :)

gt
 
Update
So, got up at 4am, went to work, had rough day, came home, and the FIRST person I see walking up the road is the neighbour with him mate trying to put the blame on us, apparently the pipe / blockage is on our property therefore we are responsibile whether we are to blame or not...right, need to look this up, anyways, gonna explain better as I need someone's advice who DOES know the actual answer...

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The white line indicates the pipe that is blocked. He brought round a map of drainage, but just a load of dots to be fair, anyway, the white lines show the path of the pipe, and the white square shows the area where the water is filling, now he says this is the blockage area, yet he cant say that exact area is the blockage, anyway, the black arrow shows the direct my drainage systems runs IF it runs into the main pipe that is blocked, but im sure the water would be filling back up that way too?

The red line shows the direct the pipes LOOKS to be going when I open the man-hole at the beginning of the red line which again is perfectly clear...

The blue line is APPARENTLY where this other man-hole is shown to be on the map by a little dot (?) yet I have just spent nearly 2 hours digging the whole area up and no man-hole.

I have told him DynoRod are coming out tomorrow to do the work, and if they say there is no way this is caused by us, I told him I will be sending the bill elsewhere and he is then trying to say 'well how can you prove who it is' yet I dont care who caused it, it aint my drain so i shouldnt have to pay, its only for that fact that my kids want to play outside and I cant let them in the back garden at the moment, and he is going round all his neighbours talking about it...not sure what is is saying...

Need advice...My wife's dad is coming back for a few days on Friday and the last thing I wanna do is let her dad start cuz he can be **** if he is ****** off...

any advice?
 
erm, if your loos arent backing up and its all running freely under YOUR manhole cover. then its his drain that is backed up. duh common fkin sense!! he will have maybe a week or so and then it will backup right to his house.
im thinking you can call environmental health at your council and they will look into it ?
dyno rod bloke could probably prove whos it is. also maybe its not a bad idea that your mrs dad will go have a "chat" with the other guy, some people need to be told properly.
personally i would not pay dyno rods bill, you'll have to take him to small claims or something to get it back.
 
But its not backing up as its just erupting into OPs back garden.

The only way to make it truly back up is to seal that manhole cover completely to make it water tight, but when eventually it does back up and someone has to "open her up" the turd volcano could be impressive ;)
 
Ok first thing to say is I'm not an expert on the subject and am basing this on what I've read and having to deal my private sewer being blocked by a cafe's fat flushing habit from a connecting public sewer.

The first thing is do your deeds mention anything about you having to maintain his easement? I doubt it.

Second don't get in dynarod unless you fancy suing your neighbour to get the money back. The only way it could be your responsibility is if you had physically damaged the drain. I see you have a big tree. I don't know if tree roots penetrating the pipe constitute your liability though I would suspect so.

Either way I would instead phone up environmental health and tell them that your neighbour's drain which runs across your land is leaking raw sewege onto your garden and it is a hazard to your children. He refuses to rectify the problem despite demonstrating that the blockage is upstream of the intersection with your drain/ not connected to your drain at all.

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Above are the three scenarios I can build from your pic. Colour represents who is responsible for maintaining that section of pipe.

Left:
House 3 joins with house 2 then joins with house 1 before entering the main sewer.

Red: 3
Light Blue: 2
Green: 2,3
Dark Blue: 1
Yellow: 1,2,3
White: water company

Middle:
House 3 joins with house 1 before entering the main sewer. House 2 goes somewhere else.

Red: 3
Green: 1
Blue: 1,3
White: water company

Right:
None of the houses join together before entering the main sewer

Red: 3
Green: 1
White: water company
 
I need to get DynoRod tomorrow as requested by my father-in-law.
If it's the tree then we will hold our hands up to it.
Severn Trent Water said our house is not connected to that pipe...

If the pipe is on our property but not connected to us or damaged are we still responsible for getting it sorted?
 
robskinner said:
But its not backing up as its just erupting into OPs back garden.

The only way to make it truly back up is to seal that manhole cover completely to make it water tight, but when eventually it does back up and someone has to "open her up" the turd volcano could be impressive ;)
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aye, it wud have backed up if sealed, then those neiighbours would soon want it sorting!! i think his garden will grow well this year tho :p

this problem is house 2 & 3, not 1. if there is a hidden manhole under the blue square then its a Y configuration with house 2 and 3's passage blocked, house 1 wud be clear.

hopefully the OP is not a sucker and does not pay a penny to have it fixed!
 
.Kencs said:
I need to get DynoRod tomorrow as requested by my father-in-law.
If it's the tree then we will hold our hands up to it.
Severn Trent Water said our house is not connected to that pipe...

If the pipe is on our property but not connected to us or damaged are we still responsible for getting it sorted?
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you need to have all parties connected to that pipe to agree to share payment before dyno rod starts work. you are only going to be responsible if the tree damaged it, otherwise nothing to do with you and you can call environmental health who can order the neighbours to take responsibility for their toileting habbits.
 
.Kencs said:
If the pipe is on our property but not connected to us or damaged are we still responsible for getting it sorted?
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No and even if it was you wouldn't as the blockage appears to be upstream of the location you drain branches off.

I still don't quite get the dynorod thing. You want it fixed but calling dynorod makes you liable to pay them the £££ they charge. Then you'll have the trouble of taking him to court. You may also need to pay someone to pull together the required documents demonstrating his liability.

Having you spoken to environmental health?

It sounds like your neighbour doesn't understand that it is still his liability even if on your land. Take him the Q&A from The Times posted earlier in the thread.
 
Update:
DynoRod are coming today. Yes we are going to pay it, I have made it perfectly clear to him that if it is not us that has caused the issue, he will be getting the bill, and he isn't the type of bloke to stand up for himself, he has to bring his neighbour round just to talk with us...

Environmental Health did NOTHING when I phoned, all they said was our house doesnt connect to that pipe and that was it.

I would leave it but as I got kids who wanna play outside and its making us look bad, and my father-in-law has said to get it sorted, Im not gonna argue with him, and if our neighbour wants to argue with him, I'll find it safer to stay in doors and watch from the window lol...

Will update you once DynoRod has been out...
 
Girl I lived with had been flushing face wipes and jam rags down the bog.

Our shower was filling up and taking ages to drain, a wet room on a slight slope. We popped some down the plughole which cured it for about a day. When we started getting **** and baby wipes coming up the shower drain and all over the bathroom we called our rental agent who sent the handy man round who lifted up the manhole on the back patio. Absolutley full to the brim with turds, tampons, baby wipes and corn. It was that impressive I couldn't not take a photo.

If you've got a weak stomach or sensitive sense of smell I'd suggest staying as far away from it as possible when the dyno team start getting stuck in!
 
BennyC said:
If you've got a weak stomach or sensitive sense of smell I'd suggest staying as far away from it as possible when the dyno team start getting stuck in!
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I have a really weak stomach, can't even watch things like 'Grimefighter' or 'how clean is your house' when Im eating :eek:

Im at work, wife is in so will let me know what he says...
 
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