Net migration up again

squerble · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:02

BBC News article

Still waiting for the article to get padded out but before everyone starts saying "hurr durr, Bulgarians", "get out of the EU" etc, wait 'til we get the full figures. Last time we had 300,000+ immigration from non-EU countries which we have complete control over

Mynight · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:03

Do you even link bro?

Rofflay · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:09

If you keep feeding strays, More will come. Anyways cutting it will not make much of a difference now the damage is done look around the UK and the changes are shocking. Rural parts of Scotland N.I and Wales are still ok but for how long?

Funny old article as only yesterday i was reading about the street battles in Sweden. Hrhrhr.

Danthus · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:10

Is anyone surprised?

Of course, this is an indication of our growing economy. /Osborne

chief barker · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:14

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34931725

eatcustard · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:17

More than two thirds of the immigration increase was driven by EU citizens

Send them back, dam them Bulgarians

KiwiTaff · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:18

Rofflay said:
If you keep feeding strays, More will come. Anyways cutting it will not make much of a difference now the damage is done look around the UK and the changes are shocking. Rural parts of Scotland N.I and Wales are still ok but for how long?

Funny old article as only yesterday i was reading about the street battles in Sweden. Hrhrhr.

I had a look at that article too! Pretty shocking

MichaelAwkward · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:19

"Net migration has increased over the last year for both EU and non-EU nationals, with the majority of people migrating to the UK coming for work or study," she said.

Damn immigrants, coming here legally to contribute to our economy.

Danthus · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:20

MichaelAwkward said:
Damn immigrants, coming here legally to contribute to our economy.

Are we building infrastructure to keep apace with immigration?

MichaelAwkward · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:22

OldCoals said:
Are we building infrastructure to keep apace with immigration?

Probably not, but that's not the immigrants fault is it?

Mynight · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:22

Doesn't really matter if the amount they bring to the economy offsets the required increase in public resource.

John40 · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:23

MichaelAwkward said:
Damn immigrants, coming here legally to contribute to our economy.

That will be like all the thousands of Eastern European Big Issue sellers classed as self employed, they are really contributing aren't they.

Danthus · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:23

MichaelAwkward said:
Probably not, but that's not the immigrants fault is it?

I never said it was their fault.

Danthus · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:24

Mynight said:
Doesn't really matter if the amount they bring to the economy offsets the required increase in public resource.

School places, are classroom sizes getting bigger or smaller?

Rofflay · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:27

May said the net gain is close to Zero from immigration. Also this is the worst year on record for the NHS so far is it not?

Mynight · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:27

OldCoals said:
School places, are classroom sizes getting bigger or smaller?

Unsure I imagine bigger. I can only speak for NHS which waiting times are getting longer. That could just as much be contributed to by an aging population though.

I'm unsure if the immigration isn't driving sufficient gain or the government is terrible at utilising them. Both are plausible based on the waste we know about I'm leaning towards the latter.

MichaelAwkward · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:28

John40 said:
That will be like all the thousands of Eastern European Big Issue sellers classed as self employed, they are really contributing aren't they.

Please provide a source for these thousands of Eastern European Big Issue sellers.

OldCoals said:
I never said it was their fault.

No, but people frame issue of falling quality of life in the immigration debate as if it is.

Rising house prices/not enough houses being built, average road speeds (as a proxy measure of congestion), rising school class sizes (in ALL regions of the UK - not just those who receive the majority of these immigrants), and other issues should be considered entirely separately and the responsibility falls solely at the feet of the government for chronic underinvestment.

MichaelAwkward · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:28

OldCoals said:
School places, are classroom sizes getting bigger or smaller?

They've actually been getting bigger in ALL regions of England (probably the same in Scotland, NI and Wales) since 2008, and not as result of EU migration.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/183364/DFE-RR169.pdf - pg28.

Freakbro · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:39

OldCoals said:
Are we building infrastructure to keep apace with immigration?

Well, with the announcements yesterday of 400,000 new homes, road building, lifting of the Nursing cap, recruiting more GPs, then yes, it looks like we're trying

subbytna · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:46

Mynight said:
Doesn't really matter if the amount they bring to the economy offsets the required increase in public resource.

You don't really believe that do you?

Cost of schooling their kids, NHS use, etc is way more than any taxes collected. I'm on for highly skilled Drs, Nurses, etc coming to work here. Realistically that sort of level of person is probably less than 10% of those actually coming here. In Belfast we're getting swamped by pop up car washes. Handy to register as self employed there then get the NI number you need to start claiming benefits. Same with Big Issue sellers (a cover for beggars in the streets here) register as self employed and "selling the big issue" and you're good to go to make full use of services. We are an island with finite services and facilities. We need to use the Australian model of immigration to keep control of who gets in to make a contribution and who is freeloading.