Net migration up again

Danthus · 26 Nov 2015 at 10:58

Freakbro said:
Well, with the announcements yesterday of 400,000 new homes, road building, lifting of the Nursing cap, recruiting more GPs, then yes, it looks like we're trying

State funds to private developers, what sort of houses are they going to build?

Freakbro · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:00

OldCoals said:
State funds to private developers, what sort of houses are they going to build?

You can get a lot of immigrants in a 5 bed detached

eatcustard · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:02

Freakbro said:
Well, with the announcements yesterday of 400,000 new homes, road building, lifting of the Nursing cap, recruiting more GPs, then yes, it looks like we're trying

How do you plan to build them without the skilled workforce?

400k homes will not scratch the surface and 200k of them were in the pipeline anyway.

Freakbro · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:04

eatcustard said:
How do you plan to build them without the skilled workforce?

There are plenty of skilled Polish builders over here!

MookJong · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:07

Great for the economy...if you can put up with the massive strain on public services and the unbalancing of our society.

Cosimo · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:07

Freakbro said:
There are plenty of skilled Polish builders over here!

All doing a great job and at a decent price!

Mynight · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:07

subbytna said:
You don't really believe that do you?

I don't know I'm not privy to exact numbers. Although I struggle to believe politicians would willingly cripple a country they cream off.

Schlong&Stable · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:11

Cosimo said:
All doing a great job and at a decent price!

And pushing native British workers out of the workforce. Lovely.

dl8860 · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:13

MichaelAwkward said:
Damn immigrants, coming here legally to contribute to our economy.

MichaelAwkward said:
Probably not, but that's not the immigrants fault is it?

No one of sound mind ever questions that immigrants do add value in some form to the economy. And certainly doesn't say it's the immigrants fault.

BUT that is not the point that's needs to be argued, and rolling out the HURR DURR IMMIGRANTS COME HERE TO WORK, THEY CONTRIBUTE DON'T YOU KNOW argument every time is pointless. No one who knows what they are talking about disagrees. The problem is one of capacity: housing, schools, NHS, just about any public service you can think of.

Yes, there will be some (perhaps a lot) of people who are anti-immigration for the wrong reasons i.e. dey took errr jerrrbss, but those who insinuate that this is the only reason anyone is anti(unlimited)-immigration, is just as bad - dey complain dat dey took derrr jerrrbbbsss

John40 · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:15

MichaelAwkward said:
Please provide a source for these thousands of Eastern European Big Issue sellers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8527950/Romanian-families-use-Big-Issue-loophole.html

The Big Life Company, which publishes the Big Issue in the North – sold in cities including Manchester, Leeds and Liverpool – says that more than half of the magazine’s vendors are Romanian or Bulgarian, and almost half are Roma.

C.R.A.Z.Y · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:24

dl8860 said:
No one of sound mind ever questions that immigrants do add value in some form to the economy. And certainly doesn't say it's the immigrants fault.

BUT that is not the point that's needs to be argued, and rolling out the HURR DURR IMMIGRANTS COME HERE TO WORK, THEY CONTRIBUTE DON'T YOU KNOW argument every time is pointless. No one who knows what they are talking about disagrees. The problem is one of capacity: housing, schools, NHS, just about any public service you can think of.

Yes, there will be some (perhaps a lot) of people who are anti-immigration for the wrong reasons i.e. dey took errr jerrrbss, but those who insinuate that this is the only reason anyone is anti(unlimited)-immigration, is just as bad - dey complain dat dey took derrr jerrrbbbsss

When they are a net benefit to the economy then it's the people in charges fault for not using this extra money to increase public services to accommodate the extra numbers!
Don't blame hard working immigrants for the incompetence of our government (or deliberate selfish ideology more like!) , but then again is anyone surprised ??? We have a party in power which believes in individualism, privatization, low tax and small government! i.e I'm alright jack pull up the ladder, very primitive and an embarrassment to evolution of the human species imho.

MichaelAwkward · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:26

John40 said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8527950/Romanian-families-use-Big-Issue-loophole.html

So, not thousands then?

And hey, let's ignore those migrants who make a go of it... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25559645

MichaelAwkward · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:27

dl8860 said:
BUT that is not the point that's needs to be argued, and rolling out the HURR DURR IMMIGRANTS COME HERE TO WORK, THEY CONTRIBUTE DON'T YOU KNOW argument every time is pointless. No one who knows what they are talking about disagrees. The problem is one of capacity: housing, schools, NHS, just about any public service you can think of.

Which was my entire point. :confused:

John40 · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:30

MichaelAwkward said:
So, not thousands then?

And hey, let's ignore those migrants who make a go of it... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25559645

Go to Sheffield and tell them what a positive effect thousands of Roma gypsies have made on the City.

MichaelAwkward · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:31

John40 said:
Go to Sheffield and tell them what a positive effect thousands of Roma gypsies have made on the City.

Why don't you tell us what negative effects they have had instead of making baseless claims and relying on others to prove you wrong?

C.R.A.Z.Y · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:33

John40 said:
Go to Sheffield and tell them what a positive effect thousands of Roma gypsies have made on the City.

Because that's representative of the millions of hard working immigrants that have been empirically proven to be a net benefit to our economy :rolleyes:

MichaelAwkward said:
Why don't you tell us what negative effects they have had instead of making baseless claims and relying on others to prove you wrong?

That's gonna be tricky considering Daily fail articles tend to lack substance and evidence!

John40 · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:44

MichaelAwkward said:
Why don't you tell us what negative effects they have had instead of making baseless claims and relying on others to prove you wrong?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/15/sheffield-page-hall-roma-slovakia-immigration

Sounds like absolute hell for the residents since the gypsies arrived.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/482347/There-will-be-blood-say-victims-of-Roma-terror

Disgraceful behaviour which I'm sure you'll say is all made up and false.

MichaelAwkward · 26 Nov 2015 at 11:53

John40 said:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/15/sheffield-page-hall-roma-slovakia-immigration

Sounds like absolute hell for the residents since the gypsies arrived.

I'm pretty sure Page Hall was absolutely hell before the Roma arrived and has been for generations. Every city has areas like that, where the conditions and local factors are exacerbated by bad politics. For example, Derby Road in Southampton.

For sure, Roma migrants have probably made things worse but that area wasn't a pleasant place to begin with. For example, this was apparently between Muslims and Romas, nevermind the white residents.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/polic...ported-fight-in-page-hall-sheffield-1-7285828

When you say things like

John40 said:
Go to Sheffield and tell them what a positive effect thousands of Roma gypsies have made on the City.

You make it sound like the entire city is a cesspool of anarchy. Which it isn't.

Cosimo · 26 Nov 2015 at 12:01

Here we are again and we know where this will be heading. Thank god this isn't Germany.

CREATIVE!11 · 26 Nov 2015 at 12:27

Awesome......

not.