Netgears new VDSL / ADSL Modem Router with AC wireless (D6400)

Sounds a rather fair and quite thorough user review.
It should remain stable I would imagine. Hope it stays that way for you!
I do know what you mean about the long waiting times to apply settings along with resetting the modem side. As far as I'm aware, The modem side was always reset when applying changes. The Asus is the same.
 
Recent install of fibre here with Zen and I tried their own router for about a day and realised it didn't have the features I needed. Looked at the Asus as I like their stuff but the thread on here put me off so went with the Netgear.

After a day of tinkering to get all our kit on the right ip's and everything as it should I have now not touched it for 2 weeks. This is with 7pc's, 4 network printers, a remotely access CCTV system, a diskstation and a couple of mobiles.
Very happy with it :)
 
bitsNbobs said:
Well i got bored so decided to buy a Netgear D6400 at the weekend, that combined with having a £10 voucher for a certain PC/electricals high-street store burning my wallet :D
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Good review, my CAT6a cables all seem to fit fine, but they where done for me, I always found when terminating them myself I did it wrong, I just do not have the flair for doing the cables, fine with the boxes, but then they not exactly hard ;)

Yeah, I was surprised the Netgear D6400 does not have an option to turn the lights off, a lot of manufacturers have a stealth mode etc.

Glad you have bought the Netgear D6400, you will not be disappointed with modem side of the router.

Oh hidden wifi page at http://www.routerlogin.net/WiFi_HiddenPage.htm not that there is much interesting in it.
 
michty_me said:
What's in the hidden WiFi page?
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michty_me said:
Sounds a rather fair and quite thorough user review.
It should remain stable I would imagine. Hope it stays that way for you!
I do know what you mean about the long waiting times to apply settings along with resetting the modem side. As far as I'm aware, The modem side was always reset when applying changes. The Asus is the same.
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Yep i expect it to have to reboot on some alterations but how it goes about it is a bit of a PITA on the Netgear, i personally hope they change it.

Example on the WDR3600 which is also connected to it (and most TPLink stuff) you can change things like the SSID name in your wifi settings, click apply and you just get a message in red saying router will need a reboot before changes are applied (IE it does not just do it on its own and leave you waiting 60 seconds each time).

This is so much more useful and satisfying as you can go through, set up all your IPs, network settings in general, wifi names on 2.4ghz and 5ghz, passwords etc, etc and when done just click a reboot button at the bottom of the interface meaning a single reboot takes care of all the changes in one go :) Unless the Netgear has a tiny amount of RAM i would had prefered that approach as without it setting up became a bit annoying (spending more time waiting for reboots than actual configuring lol) People without multiple devices will not have the issue obviously.

mjgr33n said:
Good review, my CAT6a cables all seem to fit fine, but they where done for me, I always found when terminating them myself I did it wrong, I just do not have the flair for doing the cables, fine with the boxes, but then they not exactly hard ;)

Yeah, I was surprised the Netgear D6400 does not have an option to turn the lights off, a lot of manufacturers have a stealth mode etc.

Glad you have bought the Netgear D6400, you will not be disappointed with modem side of the router.

Oh hidden wifi page at http://www.routerlogin.net/WiFi_HiddenPage.htm not that there is much interesting in it.
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1) The cable and connector was fine as it clicked home in place on all my other gear just not the netgear. Having a look again it seems the moulding on its LAN ports and where the tab/clip on a network cable goes is not quite as proud to the moulding which grabs the clip. My whole home is wired and its a town house, crimping is an easy job when you have done a few and saves you a fair amount of cash over a new premade cable each time. ;) Give it a go yourself on an old cable if you are all wired, its a simple skill worth learning, buy some crimps with the tiny cable guides they are far easier if your are new or got sausage fingers like me, though i can and do both now after just a tad bit of practice :D

2) I am pretty sure you can turn off the lights entirely in telnet for the device (i have NOT tried this yet) i think it turns off all lights and not just the Netgear logo or just the small status LEDs. Read a post somewhere about it but can not find it now, i may tinker and report back.

3) Nice find with the hidden wifi page (wonder why they hid it?) all the settings are pretty much what i would have set to on/off/auto as they are :)
Wonder what else there is to be discovered :)
 
bitsNbobs said:
Yep i expect it to have to reboot on some alterations but how it goes about it is a bit of a PITA on the Netgear, i personally hope they change it.

Example on the WDR3600 which is also connected to it (and most TPLink stuff) you can change things like the SSID name in your wifi settings, click apply and you just get a message in red saying router will need a reboot before changes are applied (IE it does not just do it on its own and leave you waiting 60 seconds each time).

This is so much more useful and satisfying as you can go through, set up all your IPs, network settings in general, wifi names on 2.4ghz and 5ghz, passwords etc, etc and when done just click a reboot button at the bottom of the interface meaning a single reboot takes care of all the changes in one go :) Unless the Netgear has a tiny amount of RAM i would had prefered that approach as without it setting up became a bit annoying (spending more time waiting for reboots than actual configuring lol) People without multiple devices will not have the issue obviously.



1) The cable and connector was fine as it clicked home in place on all my other gear just not the netgear. Having a look again it seems the moulding on its LAN ports and where the tab/clip on a network cable goes is not quite as proud to the moulding which grabs the clip. My whole home is wired and its a town house, crimping is an easy job when you have done a few and saves you a fair amount of cash over a new premade cable each time. ;) Give it a go yourself on an old cable if you are all wired, its a simple skill worth learning, buy some crimps with the tiny cable guides they are far easier if your are new or got sausage fingers like me, though i can and do both now after just a tad bit of practice :D

2) I am pretty sure you can turn off the lights entirely in telnet for the device (i have NOT tried this yet) i think it turns off all lights and not just the Netgear logo or just the small status LEDs. Read a post somewhere about it but can not find it now, i may tinker and report back.

3) Nice find with the hidden wifi page (wonder why they hid it?) all the settings are pretty much what i would have set to on/off/auto as they are :)
Wonder what else there is to be discovered :)
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I noticed there is source code for the D6400 but of course I doubt the DSL part is so as per usual probably no WRT solutions.

As per cabling, when I was younger I was more interested in it but then as I got older and got more into consulting I just never had the time for it and plus nice to have good molded shielded cables already made is nicer I am happy to just run cables through walls and stick the boxes in, at least I know that bit works.
 
Probably around the £250 level for that Billion.

On another note ive started to play around a bit more. Ive managed to enable telnet using 'telnetenable.exe' off github. I can now via command line get into it via telnet but can find no way to get detailed stats.

I have tried DSLstats from kitz but with that (even after selecting various devices) it still stubbornly refuses to log in with the message "Unable to login to mondem/router" in red at the top of the app.

Basically after a read out like @Evilpaul managed on page one of this thread, IE this post...
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=28023653&postcount=25

Am i mising something really stupid?

EDIT: DOH! Never mind, was stupidly entering user and pass into DSLstats when instead they need to be left blank LOL
 
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Evilpaul said:
I just followed the instructions in this post:
http://forum.kitz.co.uk/index.php/topic,15306.msg286735.html#msg286735
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Thanks paul, it was me being typically pigheaded refusing to look for full instruction first and diving right in. Though i did manage to figure out no username or password should be entered, would had been quicker though if i had not done the man thing and looked in the obvious place first for instruction LOL all working now. Thanks for the pointer kitz post though bookmarked incase i have goldfish memory in the future :)

Code: 
DSLAM/MSAN type:        	BDCM:0xa44f / v0xa44f
Modem/router firmware:  	AnnexA version - A2pv6F039j.d25d
DSL mode:               	VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                 	Showtime
Uptime:                 	
Resyncs:                	0 (since 02 Jul 2015 16:03:01)
			
				Downstream	Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):  	14.6		0.0
Signal attenuation (dB):	Not monitored		
Connection speed (kbps):	80000		19999
SNR margin (dB):        	6.3		15.2
Power (dBm):            	12.9		6.4
Interleave depth:       	8		1
INP:                    	49.00		0
G.INP:                  	Enabled

^^^ Interesting BTs brain wind DLM system has applied that much G.INP to the down stream but NONE at all to the Up stream. Even more so given the low INP depth on both and looking through DSLStats the basically non-existent errors (with only a few FEC and nothing else) taking place. Oh well good to see some things do not change :D
 
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bitsNbobs said:
Thanks paul, it was me being typically pigheaded refusing to look for full instruction first and diving right in. Though i did manage to figure out no username or password should be entered, would had been quicker though if i had not done the man thing and looked in the obvious place first for instruction LOL all working now. Thanks for the pointer kitz post though bookmarked incase i have goldfish memory in the future :)

Code: 
DSLAM/MSAN type:        	BDCM:0xa44f / v0xa44f
Modem/router firmware:  	AnnexA version - A2pv6F039j.d25d
DSL mode:               	VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status:                 	Showtime
Uptime:                 	
Resyncs:                	0 (since 02 Jul 2015 16:03:01)
			
				Downstream	Upstream
Line attenuation (dB):  	14.6		0.0
Signal attenuation (dB):	Not monitored		
Connection speed (kbps):	80000		19999
SNR margin (dB):        	6.3		15.2
Power (dBm):            	12.9		6.4
Interleave depth:       	8		1
INP:                    	49.00		0
G.INP:                  	Enabled

^^^ Interesting BTs brain wind DLM system has applied that much G.INP to the down stream but NONE at all to the Up stream. Even more so given the low INP depth on both and looking through DSLStats the basically non-existent errors (with only a few FEC and nothing else) taking place. Oh well good to see some things do not change :D
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BT have been disabling G.INP for upstream on numerous lines recently as for a lot of people it is not needed and a lot of people had issues with it not being compatible on the ECI ones.

And weirdly enough since they disabled it on my line my max attainable down went up from 100 to 110 and my max attainable down went down from 36 to 31.

So am guessing they tweaking a lot of lines to improve the download speeds and reduce noise somehow based on the news from ispreview.co.uk and several sources and numerous people saying how there lines have changed.
 
Well hopefully G.INP on my line is taken off entirely now i have a matching chipset device, it only gives me around the same speeds i have when the line is fully fast path anyway. With the downside being sites which are slow/further away take longer to load as it takes longer for the forward error correction to sort things out.
 
Hi guys, hoping someone could shed a little light on a couple of things.

I usually get 56 down/12 up(Homehub 4), I installed a D6400 late yesterday and it immediately synced up at 20/2.6 and has been there ever since. I rather expected it to be closing in on the previous speed by now but it's not moved(Stats below).

It's also INCREDIBLY slow with a USB HD attached, I wanted to use it as a media server/NAS purely to have a single point to watch videos from but they all stutter and copying a file to the local PC I'm getting <100kbs

Thanks

Stats recorded 07 Jul 2015 09:36:08

DSLAM/MSAN type: BDCM:0xa44f / v0xa44f
Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pv6F039j.d25d
DSL mode: VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status: Showtime
Uptime:
Resyncs: 0 (since 07 Jul 2015 08:38:05)

Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB): 26.7 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored
Connection speed (kbps): 20151 2646
SNR margin (dB): 6.3 5.5
Power (dBm): 13.0 -5.0
Interleave depth: 8 1
INP: 44.00 0
G.INP: Enabled

RSCorr/RS (%): 0.0294 0.0201
RSUnCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0000
ES/hour: 0 14.6
 
Rikk said:
Hi guys, hoping someone could shed a little light on a couple of things.

I usually get 56 down/12 up(Homehub 4), I installed a D6400 late yesterday and it immediately synced up at 20/2.6 and has been there ever since. I rather expected it to be closing in on the previous speed by now but it's not moved(Stats below).

It's also INCREDIBLY slow with a USB HD attached, I wanted to use it as a media server/NAS purely to have a single point to watch videos from but they all stutter and copying a file to the local PC I'm getting <100kbs

Thanks

Stats recorded 07 Jul 2015 09:36:08

DSLAM/MSAN type: BDCM:0xa44f / v0xa44f
Modem/router firmware: AnnexA version - A2pv6F039j.d25d
DSL mode: VDSL2 Profile 17a
Status: Showtime
Uptime:
Resyncs: 0 (since 07 Jul 2015 08:38:05)

Downstream Upstream
Line attenuation (dB): 26.7 0.0
Signal attenuation (dB): Not monitored
Connection speed (kbps): 20151 2646
SNR margin (dB): 6.3 5.5
Power (dBm): 13.0 -5.0
Interleave depth: 8 1
INP: 44.00 0
G.INP: Enabled

RSCorr/RS (%): 0.0294 0.0201
RSUnCorr/RS (%): 0.0000 0.0000
ES/hour: 0 14.6
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If you put your HH4 back in, do you get the faster speeds again? Don't rule out a line fault, check with the HH4.
 
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