New Barcelona Server benchmarks...

mrthingyx · 10 Sep 2007 at 09:06

Hmmm... the TechReport has Barcelona benchmarks out and it's an interesting insight into what makes the new AMD chip has to offer and what it can potentially do.

At this point in time, however, it looks to be a similar case as with the orignal Athlon64 vs. Pentium 4 EE... some things are better, some things aren't good.

It appears that - while performance is dramatically improved in some areas, some haven't. One of the potential culprits is a L3 cache which seems to whack the new Opterons with a massive latency penalty (~23ns) and this, in turn, compromises the chips' performance.

However, the chip does seem to scale very well with clock speed but at the end of the day, there is no telling how it will do when its desktop cousin is pitted against a Conroe/Penryn.

Saying that, however, it uses a lot less power than previous Opterons.

Check it out

KillBoY_UK · 10 Sep 2007 at 09:40

Anandtech has soem benchmarks as well with a 8800gtx overall about a 10-15% over the K8 clock for clock , for AMD's sake i hope there cheap

Justintime · 10 Sep 2007 at 10:25

Looks like a core cpu now with the new IHS hehe.

Talrinys · 10 Sep 2007 at 14:28

Was expecting more to be honest, unless they clock well/ship with massive clock speeds when Phenom is released, this will not be enough.

mrthingyx · 10 Sep 2007 at 15:18

Enough for what? To tempt us away from our current hardware? Maybe on this forum, but anybody that has to manage a server farm/data environment will love it.

That, coupled with HP and Dell lining up behind the new Opteron hardware mean that they'll do pretty well (in that market).

Desktop performance? No idea, and no clear indication. However, if the chips scale as well as indicated, have high ceilings and are on par with Intel hardware, it could prove very interesting indeed.

Perfect_Chaos · 10 Sep 2007 at 15:39

Talrinys said:
Was expecting more to be honest, unless they clock well/ship with massive clock speeds when Phenom is released, this will not be enough.

Dont count on it, rumor says that Phenom's wont ever be clocked higher than 3.0ghz.

Does this mean Penryn is going to beat AMD's new chips? no idea.. would be good if anybody knew though.

manveruppd · 10 Sep 2007 at 16:48

KillBoY_UK said:
Anandtech has soem benchmarks as well with a 8800gtx overall about a 10-15% over the K8 clock for clock , for AMD's sake i hope there cheap

Direct link to the Anandtech benchmarks.

Clock-for-clock for gaming-related benchmarks this core is showing up to 20% improvement from the K8, which is mightily impressive! I've no doubt that they'll compare very favourably to equivalently-clocked Intel chips (assuming the prices are competitive). The real question is whether they'll clock as well as Intel's chips, cause even if they've got a slight edge at the same speed, if the Conroes and Phenoms overclock further they'll leave the Barcies in the dust...

jaykay · 10 Sep 2007 at 16:54

If this is true http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2279&Itemid=35

Then it will overclock pretty well.

manveruppd · 10 Sep 2007 at 18:12

I do remember also reading in the Inquirer that AMD plan to scale the clockspeeds very quickly for this processor, yes only 2GHz for the first models but up to 3GHz in early 2008. I expect they're being conservative in their speed binning for this early release due to the immaturity of the fabrication process, but with luck there might be a few well-clocking golden sample-type chips among them

milkinc13 · 10 Sep 2007 at 20:11

blimy the game performance looks good. but what will the comparason be with C2D?

jaykay · 10 Sep 2007 at 20:15

milkinc13 said:
blimy the game performance looks good. but what will the comparason be with C2D?

Well at gaming it will be very competetive to the penryn. C2d was 10-15% faster than k8. K10 looks to be 10-20% faster than k8. All AMD needs now is high clocks.

Perfect_Chaos · 10 Sep 2007 at 20:15

manveruppd said:
I do remember also reading in the Inquirer that AMD plan to scale the clockspeeds very quickly for this processor, yes only 2GHz for the first models but up to 3GHz in early 2008. I expect they're being conservative in their speed binning for this early release due to the immaturity of the fabrication process, but with luck there might be a few well-clocking golden sample-type chips among them

Maybe the early chips will overcock 3.0Ghz + anyway?.

milkinc13 · 10 Sep 2007 at 20:22

jaykay said:
Well at gaming it will be very competetive to the penryn. C2d was 10-15% faster than k8. K10 looks to be 10-20% faster than k8. All AMD needs now is high clocks.

but they won't be here till early next year

but it seams that K10 has done what it was intended to do, give Intel a good run for their money, + what will it's overclocking potential be

Perfect_Chaos · 10 Sep 2007 at 20:24

milkinc13 said:
but they won't be here till early next year
but it seams that K10 has done what it was intended to do, give Intel a good run for their money, + what will it's overclocking potential be

Doesnt Phenom need to be 20% faster exactly to beat Penryn anyway?

AMD should reease the fastest phenom ASAP imo, otherwise they are only going to lose out once intel brings Nehalem..

AMD digging their own grave?

Gunther · 11 Sep 2007 at 07:42

Yes, but they will be faster given the potential if seen here. The K10 in benchmarking is about 35% faster than a similar C2D. seen with my own eyes.

Gashman · 11 Sep 2007 at 13:43

Gunther said:
Yes, but they will be faster given the potential if seen here. The K10 in benchmarking is about 35% faster than a similar C2D. seen with my own eyes.

any evidence to back this up, because that makes K10 one helluva fast processor?

LizardKing · 11 Sep 2007 at 13:52

http://www.computerworld.com/action...ewArticleBasic&articleId=9035161&pageNumber=1

Cant be that bad if there being used in supercomputers!!

Gunther · 11 Sep 2007 at 14:07

Seen it where i live, Engeneering sample in Thailand where i live. Shop promised me that i could buy it in a week or 2. So keep you posted. Will be happy to get that intel out of my pc though. put that together with a crossfire mainboard.

Amonlym · 11 Sep 2007 at 16:34

those saying amd should relase max speed right now - rememebr theres a long buildup on these thigns, amd will have built up a stock of the older, less capable B0 and B1 cores which they must sell (or its just money flushed right down the loo, far worse than losing a few sales now but having clear inventory. th last thing amd need right now is a big WIP/Stock write down/write off.) once they clear their warhouses of B0/B1 cores then they will start talking B2. and remember B2 is where the mhz is at, apparently. (the 3ghz demo chips were B2)

whats not been made clear - are these 2.5ghz samples (running huge v-core? may just be CPUz Error) based on the cream of the B1 stepping, or early B2?

and will we see any B0/B1 steppings on the desktop chips atall? or will they all go into opys.

tamalero · 11 Sep 2007 at 20:15

Perfect_Chaos said:
Doesnt Phenom need to be 20% faster exactly to beat Penryn anyway?

AMD should reease the fastest phenom ASAP imo, otherwise they are only going to lose out once intel brings Nehalem..

AMD digging their own grave?

they're comparing a Opteron with slow 667 registered memory and no splitplanes nor HT3 in videogames..
let's be honest, thats kinda a stupid test...
its not apples to apples...

Amonlym said:
those saying amd should relase max speed right now - rememebr theres a long buildup on these thigns, amd will have built up a stock of the older, less capable B0 and B1 cores which they must sell (or its just money flushed right down the loo, far worse than losing a few sales now but having clear inventory. th last thing amd need right now is a big WIP/Stock write down/write off.) once they clear their warhouses of B0/B1 cores then they will start talking B2. and remember B2 is where the mhz is at, apparently. (the 3ghz demo chips were B2)

whats not been made clear - are these 2.5ghz samples (running huge v-core? may just be CPUz Error) based on the cream of the B1 stepping, or early B2?

and will we see any B0/B1 steppings on the desktop chips atall? or will they all go into opys.

remember the first Opteron also werent that impresive ( the socket 940 ) at first.. but then it gave a good spanking once they improved the core.
I just hope they do the same improving scheme in barcelona-shangai,phenom..etc..