New build - i5 - need help

The Z87 is out of the window then, buying 2 CPU's to flash a board is bloody useless. I thought the B6 revision would support Devil's Canyon 4690K. But thanks for that.

If you can find out for a fact that Gigabyte have bothered using a BIOS for it that will take Devil's Canyon from the get go, then go for it. Maybe they have. It would just be the first I hear of a Z87 capable of doing so out of the box (other than some Asus boards which don't require a CPU installed to carry out a BIOS flash). Don't rely on the revision date alone.


Won't the extensions just cause more looms of wire being down the bottom end though (hidden or not) with the Golden Green 550?

The extensions are not very long.


- I'd probably go for the G1 for cost and the power I need etc. It confuses me how it has 4 VGA ports on the modular, that's for 2 GPU's, surely that would be pushing 650W then with high end? Back when I remember looking, it was important for like 18v on 12a rails. Is that still the case?

Things have improved a bit on that front over the years. A quality PSU these days (and for a while now) can have a more powerful single rail than two or four rails combined in PSUs of years past. Obviously depending on the models. Just for argument's sake.

That 650W model could run an O/C'd CPU and 2 x 960s for example. Or a non-O/C'd CPU and non-OC'd 2 x 970s.

It's CPU and GPU dependent. If you went for a 290X then it'll only run one, and that's what you'd want for such a card. 550W would be good, 650w even better.


Regaring the braiding cables, love the idea, really do, I could hide a molex, that's fine, just about the slot in the rear PCI panel that needs filling in https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/CA-060-NX_43805_350.jpg


Addressed that here:

These leds come with three brightness options and a PCI adapter thingy (which you can tuck away under the PSU shroud instead of mounting it to a PCI slot, to keep things tidier).

There is no need to actually slot the adapter in a PCI slot. Just place it somewhere below the PSU shroud for example, find the brightness level you're happy with, and close up the case once you're done building.


A couple of other questions... I've had good experience with Gigabyte boards and love their Dual BIOS, is there one of those around the price of the Asus Z97-K? It'd be nice with initial OC pushings to see. Although I'd go safe, I'd have to find that sweet spot after testing and the DB on Gigabytes assisted in any screw ups. - Is this a decent enough contender? https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-504-GI

Yes. The overclocking ability of CPUs is dependent on the CPU itself for the vast part. A quality motherboard just helps eke out that little bit extra, and find stability on overclocks that would not be quite as stable on other boards. But if you land a great chip you'll easily have a better O/C than someone with a £200 board and a poor chip.


Also, is it a common thing to have to push the memory on these boards as they always seem to state (O.C.) for the memory clocks above what seems to be 1800MHZ?

Anything up to 2400MHz is fine on Z97. Beyond that it starts getting iffy progressively, especially when combined with a CPU overclock. The gains beyond 2133MHz are minimal in general.


Are the FSB straps important? 1:6 / 1:8 is what I have run before. I always heard 1:1 was golden, but really dunno if that's achievable / a big player these days.

No. There's a BCLK strap now* and the memory frequency runs independently of CPU frequency (even though the CPU has a memory controller aboard). So you can up the CPU multiplier without affecting memory frequency for example. This article may be useful as an introduction to how it works: http://www.overclockers.com/3step-guide-to-overclock-intel-haswell/
 
Kraken x61 is a good contender for closed waterloop, but also OcUK has a similar cwl in different sizes for both cpu and gpu, havnt seen any reviews yet, however as its ocuk product it could only be quality.

Enermax's liqtech 240 is quite nice as well, unfortunately ocuk don't stock them because of their sales team...
 
Might be able to sell some of my current machine, which was unexpected...

Just looking at a monitor, is this: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-022-AO&groupid=17&catid=948 a decent shot if I get a new GPU? and if so, whats the best bang for buck out there on that front? Perhaps sub-£200 - Something that would be worth replacing the 7870 I have for (was checking a couple of GTX 960's and they don't fill me with confidence)

For the record, I'm happy @ 1080p rather than 1440. So that is ok. Also hope the G-Sync would make up for any 960 being crap
 
I read a lot about the stock fans on AIO WC's needing replacing. I'd like to just find one that seems to have solid build quality. Someone recommended the CoolerMaster Nepton's above, the review on the 240's of those are negative.

NZXT Kraken's seem to have good feedback though?

@Danny75 - The replacement Alpenföhn fans you listed are those purely for aesthetic (Black/Green) reasons or are they rated as decent air shifters and quiet like?
 
With radiators you want a fan with as high static pressure as possible. Obviously within reason and budget. Corsair does some nice high static performance fans, but there's many fans out there that could be better and quiter.

The Kraken x61 has got good reviews, but you're looking to spend atleast £100 for one of them.

This is OcUKs own closed water loop.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=BU-097-TL&groupid=701&catid=2330&subcat=2262

Comes at a fair decwnt price, only problem is I can't seem to find any reviews. Might be lurking around on the web somewhere.

If youre tight on budget, just purchase a decent aftermarket aircooler for now and wait till you've got more bash to get the right AIO cooler for your system.

Just make sure the case you choose are compatible with 240/280 rads.
 
As far as vga are concerned. With your budget in mind, im not sure how your gpu stands up to these( do a omparison benchmark). 280x/285/960. What you could do is look in the clearance section for secondhand cards. There aren't any on there atm. But should pop up as day goes along
 
@Danny75 - The replacement Alpenföhn fans you listed are those purely for aesthetic (Black/Green) reasons or are they rated as decent air shifters and quiet like?

Those actually have a quiet and good reputation, and happened to have a black/green version. In threads asking for fan suggestions a lot of owners of those Alpenföhns highly recommend them.
 
Those actually have a quiet and good reputation, and happened to have a black/green version. In threads asking for fan suggestions a lot of owners of those Alpenföhns highly recommend them.

Sweet, I'm still considering whether to take a Sanyo Denki off mine and replace with the old H440 case ones.


With radiators you want a fan with as high static pressure as possible. Obviously within reason and budget. Corsair does some nice high static performance fans, but there's many fans out there that could be better and quiter.

Are the Kraken X61 stock fans good enough? I could strap on my 2 sanyo denkis for extreme cooling, but they're like 38mm thick. Would that be a problem on the radiator?


Also, what is best.

16GB Quad channel of 1600MHz C9 memory? https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-040-AR&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1392

or

8GB Dual channel of 2133Mhz C11 memory? - https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-044-AR&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1392
 
The faster RAM is better.

If the fans are too thick once combined with the radiator the whole lot can come down into the motherboards VRM heatsink area causing clearance issues, if the rad etc goes in the front like the NZXT S340 above then that can reduce the lenght of gfx cards that will fit.

The stock fans that come with water coolers are static optimised and designed for the job.
 
Will leave those as-is then.

So 8GB is much better then?

Going for the NZXT H440 btw.

Need to make sure of the build I'm buying so going to tot it up now.
 
I do use it for other things, but having said that, the 8GB I have now, is fine and I might... MIGHT go for 16GB (2x8GB) as the 2x4GB aren't available (OOS).

I also have upped the budget, I want an M2 card for the OS, and will use the EVO for games and photoshop with data being written to the "de-ice boxed" WD Raptor.

Does the M2 SSD show up as a normal drive from the off like any other hard drive/SSD? - Would it be prudent to still move the Pagefile onto the WD Raptor also?

I can't seem to find a 60/64GB M2 card (as it's only for OS), so which is the best speed vs cost M2 card currently? I dare say I'm going to have to go 120GB on that also, which is disappointing as I wanted to save around £20 for the build.
 
Kraken x61 is quite pricey for what it is... Take a look at the AIO from OcUK Lab, 240mm performance version for £40 pounds cheaper.
 

For that price I may as well go with 1 of these:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-069-KS&groupid=701&catid=2104&subcat=2365

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-202-SA&groupid=701&catid=2104&subcat=2365

Both seem competitive speed wise as well as the 40GB extra?

I'd probably go with the Samsung as my 120 SSD here that will go into the build is also an 850 EVO
 
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Right ok, I think I'm swayed on that. I will put the page file on the WD HDD too, always done it, will continue to put it on a HDD.

This radiator is the next thing then. I love the look of that Raijintek Triton. Just looks like you'd get good cooling with it and the price is very comforting! - But then there's the whole reliability. It's my first rad, so wouldn't really know what to look for. Bar temps going 70+ ?

When they come with their own compounds, it's best to leave it on? I have some Acrtic Silver still here that has done many a machine and even a PS3. So just wondering.
 
Yes the thermal compound that comes with these things is good and usually silver based.

I dont like the triton (plasticky, failures reported etc) instead look at the coolermaster Nepton or Corsair H100i GT etc.
 
Looks like I might search for the Corsair H110 based on the load vs noise here:

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The B6 Sniper Mobo I was refering to is a B85 chipset (although they state very overclockable) - http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gigabyte-g1-sniper-b6-review,1.html
 
Go with the noctua nh d14 at £55 wont be disappointed and it plays very well with 2 x 140mm fans have 2 tehrmalright ty-140 on mine performs so much quieter and cooler than having 1x 120mm and 1 x 140mm.It's half the price of the corsair and almost as good if not better with the right fan combo.
 
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