New build...it's been a while

R3v4n

R3v4n

R3v4n

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Hi Everyone -

I haven't built a desktop in a few years now been using laptops because I needed to move it around, that's no longer a factor so back to desktops woot. I'd like to have some jazy lights and look a bit "pretty" haha doesn't need to be anything extreme though/costly, more about function since it will be under a desk anyway.

I'm trying to spec a mid range Ryzen PC coming in around £1000 -

Right now I'm looking at something like -

MSI X570 Carbon Pro
Ryzen 5 3600
AMD 5700XT or RX Vega 56 - very different prices, seems like vega 56 should be fine for 1080p now, wonder though if the extra cost of the 5700XT is worth it for "future proofing".
HyperX Predator 16GB 3200Mhz CL16 - Literally no idea what to get when it comes to RAM, this just looked affordable?
RM550X PSU
970 Evo Plus 500Gb
CoolerMaster Masterbox Q500L - case needs to be roughly this size to fit comfortably under my desk

The RAM is whats throwing me the most at the moment it seems when I read online the recommended stuff is GSkill Trident Z RGB but it's very expensive lol, lots of people talking about compatiblity issues with ryzen cpu's and different types of ram.

For at least the immediate term I'll be playing at 1080p Ultra I haven't got a 1440p screen at the moment perhaps in the future could be a while before I bother investing in one (only recently bought my current one).

Any glaring issues with it\improvements?
 
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With regards to the Gskill RAM I was told by OC staff when ordering mine a few days ago that it's OOS and because of manufacturing issues they have no idea when they will be receiving more.
 
Chaze said:
With regards to the Gskill RAM I was told by OC staff when ordering mine a few days ago that it's OOS and because of manufacturing issues they have no idea when they will be receiving more.
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also like corsair , gskill aren't taking pre-orders directly and increase list pricing by 5-7%

@R3v4n

push the ultra if you can - also should be able to fill in a review and claim £30 steam voucher ( look in mobo thread and whilst in stock) . only vendor to have mobo support on here and uk rma

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...4-x570-chipset-atx-motherboard-mb-57u-gi.html

if not Gigabyte Gaming X will do the job

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...4-x570-chipset-atx-motherboard-mb-57x-gi.html

or MSI B450 AC

hold off on RX until 3rd party cards come in or put it on water ! check out 2060 Super

that cooler master case will COOK IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cool...ower-case-black-tempered-glass-ca-37r-cm.html
 
£1000 you said?
3600 + 2070 super :cool: more compact micro ATX form factor

My basket at overclockers uk:
Total: £1,020.14 (includes shipping: £12.30)
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if you've got a 144hz 1080p using RTX SUPER then intel- hands down . 1440p or 1080p 60hz monitor then AMD and could go vega 56 for the latter to save cash with b450

ODE
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,050.15 (includes shipping: £12.30)
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DE
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £799.54 (includes shipping: £11.70)​
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Cool thanks everyone!

orbitalwalsh said:
if you've got a 144hz 1080p using RTX SUPER then intel- hands down . 1440p or 1080p 60hz monitor then AMD and could go vega 56 for the latter to save cash with b450

ODE
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,050.15 (includes shipping: £12.30)
​

DE
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £799.54 (includes shipping: £11.70)
​
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Out of interest why would intel + nvidia be better with 1080p 144hz? I do have a 1080p 144hz monitor haha so just curious?
 
R3v4n said:
Cool thanks everyone!



Out of interest why would intel + nvidia be better with 1080p 144hz? I do have a 1080p 144hz monitor haha so just curious?
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core speed and stronger CPU - the GAP has been CLOSED a lot with Zen2/ ryzen 3*** via speed increase and performance tweaks along with running 3733hz ram , but need x570 board for that .

1440p the gap lessens a lot and 4k theres no diff . Higher the res the more work is being placed on the GPU and CPU has time to play catch up- loosely.

If your gaming with a weaker GPU then intel or ryzen doesn't matter to much. RTX 2070 Super is the same power as 2080 and thats some SERIOUS power for 1080p! you should be hitting 140 fps at 1080p with that card.
 
with that being said, although 6c6t of the 9600k is good enough now...now being the keyword here.
it's probably going to be struggling in the next few years, due to not having SMT. better to get the 3600 instead. 6c12t is where it's at. imo.

tl;dr - best bang/buck and longevity = 3600 + 2070 super for a grand.
6c6t 9600k gonna run out of steam quicker than the 6c12t 3600 over the next few years.
 
tamzzy said:
with that being said, although 6c6t of the 9600k is good enough now...now being the keyword here.
it's probably going to be struggling in the next few years, due to not having SMT. better to get the 3600 instead. 6c12t is where it's at. imo.

tl;dr - best bang/buck and longevity = 3600 + 2070 super for a grand.
6c6t 9600k gonna run out of steam quicker than the 6c12t 3600 over the next few years.
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The only thing that originally threw me off the 2070 super was it looked to be less than 10% faster than a 5700XT but it costs another £100, but I guess maybe it will scale better over time with nvidia drivers vs AMD drivers?

Will the B450M need a BIOS flash to work with Ryzen 3rd gen?

orbitalwalsh said:
core speed and stronger CPU - the GAP has been CLOSED a lot with Zen2/ ryzen 3*** via speed increase and performance tweaks along with running 3733hz ram , but need x570 board for that .

1440p the gap lessens a lot and 4k theres no diff . Higher the res the more work is being placed on the GPU and CPU has time to play catch up- loosely.

If your gaming with a weaker GPU then intel or ryzen doesn't matter to much. RTX 2070 Super is the same power as 2080 and thats some SERIOUS power for 1080p! you should be hitting 140 fps at 1080p with that card.
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Ah yeah ofc, if I can't sit at or close to 144fps then having 144hz is mostly wasted.
 
R3v4n said:
nvidia drivers vs AMD drivers?
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no. normally it's the amd drivers that mature better over time - ie the 5700xt will get better
the only reason not to get the 5700xt now is that the stock cooler is hot and loud. hence why i've specced the 2070S instead.
if that £100 was being used to get a more rounded system that you won't need to expand on later on (eg you need extra storage etc) then fine, would be a fair tradeoff.
like this chap in another thread: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/new-build-need-help.18860436/

but i don't think you're in the same boat as he is. hence why in your case, i assume a 2070S is the better choice.
 
tamzzy said:
no. normally it's the amd drivers that mature better over time - ie the 5700xt will get better
the only reason not to get the 5700xt now is that the stock cooler is hot and loud. hence why i've specced the 2070S instead.
if that £100 was being used to get a more rounded system that you won't need to expand on later on (eg you need extra storage etc) then fine, would be a fair tradeoff.
like this chap in another thread: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/new-build-need-help.18860436/

but i don't think you're in the same boat as he is. hence why in your case, i assume a 2070S is the better choice.
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Ah right ok, cool.

The B450 will need a BIOS flash to work the Ryzen 3600 though right? I don't mind doing it but I don't have the hardware to do it lol, I could get a cheap CPU I guess but would OCUK let me return it I wonder :P.
 
R3v4n said:
The B450 will need a BIOS flash to work the Ryzen 3600 though right?
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correct.

R3v4n said:
I don't mind doing it but I don't have the hardware to do it lol, I could get a cheap CPU I guess but would OCUK let me return it I wonder :p.
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don't need a cpu/apu for the mortar
see for yourself: https://www.msi.com/blog/the-latest-bios-for-amd-300-400-series-motherboard
bios update from msi: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450M-MORTAR - final release, don't grab the beta bios from the blog
 
tamzzy said:
correct.


don't need a cpu/apu for the mortar
see for yourself: https://www.msi.com/blog/the-latest-bios-for-amd-300-400-series-motherboard
bios update from msi: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450M-MORTAR - final release, don't grab the beta bios from the blog
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Oh perfect! Thank you!

Looks like I have a PC build then, case looks good as well, may eventually throw a water cooler on the CPU but will probably just see how it goes first.

Given that the case is smaller, for the sake of airflow would it be better to get a fully modular PSU do you think or is the difference going to be very minimal?
 
tamzzy said:
£1000 you said?
3600 + 2070 super :cool: more compact micro ATX form factor

My basket at overclockers uk:
Total: £1,020.14 (includes shipping: £12.30)
​
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Thanks a lot for the assistance :)!
 
tamzzy said:
£1000 you said?
3600 + 2070 super :cool: more compact micro ATX form factor

My basket at overclockers uk:
Total: £1,020.14 (includes shipping: £12.30)
​
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I was reading today that apparently the B450 mobos have 16MB ROMs which ends up in stuff being removed to accomodate for Ryzen 3000 support, I haven't managed to find anything significant being changed I assume it's mostly just support for older CPUs that was taken away? Shouldn't be anything performance affecting?
 
3600, 16gb of 3200 ram
450 or 470 based MB is enough, no need for 570s at this level.
Decent Aio for the zen2 chip to run it at top speed.
2070s if your using gsync, if not then 5700xt as its almost as fast, overclocks well and is considerably cheaper.
Whatever SSD ect...
 
Stephanie Peterson said:
3600, 16gb of 3200 ram
450 or 470 based MB is enough, no need for 570s at this level.
Decent Aio for the zen2 chip to run it at top speed.
2070s if your using gsync, if not then 5700xt as its almost as fast, overclocks well and is considerably cheaper.
Whatever SSD ect...
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Was considering the Coolermaster ML240L seems to perform quite well and is a lot cheaper than the other AIO coolers!
 
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