New build, It's been a while

[mysticsniper]

My system is on it's way out, I have had a few motherboard issues recently.

I game at 1440p, I also do a lot of Virtualisation.

Current build:
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12-Core Processor
Cooler Gigabyte Aorus AIO 360
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Ultra
Installed RAM T-Force Black (8-Pack) 32.0 GB
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
Storage AORUS NVMe Gen4 SSD 1TB, Corsair NVMe MP510 1TB, 2x Crucial SSD 489 GB
PSU EVGA Supernova 1000 T2


Looking for a few pointers, as I'm not sure on the mobo? I was a Gigabyte fan previously, but looking to move away.
Will my current PSU still be good, or does it need replacing?

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core 5.20GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-03517) = £399.95
• 1 x Crucial Pro 48GB (2x24GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C48 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-CRU-01087) = £179.99
• 1 x MSI Pro X870E-P WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-MSI-05545) = £229.99
• 1 x Lian Li Galahad II LCD Performance AIO 360mm All In One CPU Cooler - Black (SKU: COO-LIA-00531) = £192.95
• 1 x NVIDIA Game Bundle - Arc Raiders Deluxe Edition PLUS Astro Cosmetic Pack (SKU: DIG-NVI-06436) = £0.00
• 1 x Palit GeForce RTX 5070 Ti GamingPro-S OC 16GB GDDR7 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-PAL-05411) = £699.94

Total: £1,710.82 (includes delivery: £7.99)​

Thanks in advance

 

[tamzzy]

I game at 1440p, I also do a lot of Virtualisation

How lot is a lot? If it's a lot then are you better off with more cores?
(And more ram?)

1 x MSI Pro X870E-P WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-MSI-05545) = £229.99

Is there something you specifically need from the x870e chipset?
Its an easy win here to go for a b850 board instead.

1 x Lian Li Galahad II LCD Performance AIO 360mm All In One CPU Cooler - Black (SKU: COO-LIA-00531) = £192.95

Same with this. Far too much money when an equivalent AIO from thermal right is 1/3 of the cost and also comes with a screen!

 

[Craig_d1]

nothing wrong with it per se but, personally, for £230, I'd prob pay £30 more and get the X870 Tomahawk

it has
14+2+1 80a rather than 14+2+1 60a vrms
4 m.2 slots rather than 3
2 usb4 40gb connections rather than 1
7 usb 5gbs rather than 2
8 usb 2.0 rather than 6
4080 audio codec rather than alc897
also has a post it error code display where as the pro doesn't

basically the tomahawk's a far better board for not that much more.

£180 for 48gb of 6000C48 ram is eye watering for such slow ram when you can buy 48gb of corsair 6000C30 for £191, or seeing as am5 should run xmp profiles fine, corsair 48gb 6000C36 for £146...or 64gb for £211 for 6000c40 9and that's only checking 1 other place)

 

[dfour]

A few changes with more ram and cores for less money.

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D Sixteen Core 5.70GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-04501) = £599.99
• 1 x MSI MAG B850 TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI (AMD AM5) B850 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-MSI-03993) = £229.99
• 1 x Corsair Vengeance EXPO 64GB (2X32GB) DDR5 PC5-4800040 6000MHz Dual Channel (SKU: MEM-CRS-02842) = £209.99
• 1 x Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-SPR-03983) = £555.00
• 1 x Thermalright Frozen Warframe SE 360 ARGB Black All In One CPU Cooler - 360mm (SKU: COO-TLR-04551) = £59.99

Total: £1,654.96 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

Your psu should be fine as long as its unlikely to have been driven that hard with your old rig.

 

[sastusbulbas]

nothing wrong with it per se but, personally, for £230, I'd prob pay £30 more and get the X870 Tomahawk

it has
14+2+1 80a rather than 14+2+1 60a vrms
4 m.2 slots rather than 3
2 usb4 40gb connections rather than 1
7 usb 5gbs rather than 2
8 usb 2.0 rather than 6
4080 audio codec rather than alc897
also has a post it error code display where as the pro doesn't

basically the tomahawk's a far better board for not that much more.

£180 for 48gb of 6000C48 ram is eye watering for such slow ram when you can buy 48gb of corsair 6000C30 for £191, or seeing as am5 should run xmp profiles fine, corsair 48gb 6000C36 for £146...or 64gb for £211 for 6000c40 9and that's only checking 1 other place)

I would compare the PCIe bifurcation and remember the USB4 will drop to 20gb usually if two are populated, using USB4 also affects the PCIe on some motherboards.

Tomahawk B850 has two gen 5 and two gen 4 NVMe slots but yeah a little short on usb which isn't a big deal for everyone.

 

[sastusbulbas]

A few changes with more ram and cores for less money.

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D Sixteen Core 5.70GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-04501) = £599.99
• 1 x MSI MAG B850 TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI (AMD AM5) B850 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-MSI-03993) = £229.99
• 1 x Corsair Vengeance EXPO 64GB (2X32GB) DDR5 PC5-4800040 6000MHz Dual Channel (SKU: MEM-CRS-02842) = £209.99
• 1 x Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 9070 XT Gaming 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-SPR-03983) = £555.00
• 1 x Thermalright Frozen Warframe SE 360 ARGB Black All In One CPU Cooler - 360mm (SKU: COO-TLR-04551) = £59.99

Total: £1,654.96 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

Your psu should be fine as long as its unlikely to have been driven that hard with your old rig.

C40 memory over C30?

 

[dfour]

Its a X3D cpu and they are not affected by the higher cas speeds compared to the non-X3D chips. Cas 40 will be fine.

If the OP is dead set on cas 30 he can change it to

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x PNY XLR8 Gaming EPIC-X 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-PNY-04562) = £229.99

Total: £229.99 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

 

[mickyflinn]

Memory prices are stupid the usual rip off the consumer before Christmas.

 

[Craig_d1]

Memory prices are stupid the usual rip off the consumer before Christmas.

all so they can show a deal for black fri. make you feel you're getting a bargain even though prob still more expensive than a month ago... i can get decent prices for ram/psu here (very dependent on manufacturer though)...gpu's on the other hand

 

[sastusbulbas]

Its a X3D cpu and they are not affected by the higher cas speeds compared to the non-X3D chips. Cas 40 will be fine.

If the OP is dead set on cas 30 he can change it to

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x PNY XLR8 Gaming EPIC-X 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-PNY-04562) = £229.99

Total: £229.99 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

Not quite true, not affected is the wrong term. Less affected is how X3D are with memory, yet still C30 6000 is often recommended as a quick Google shows.

How much does it matter? Well it's PC building and your paring a 9950 X3D with a 9070xt for 1440p just because of some virtualization. So why not.

 

[Tetras]

Not quite true, not affected is the wrong term. Less affected is how X3D are with memory, yet still C30 6000 is often recommended as a quick Google shows.

How much does it matter? Well it's PC building and your paring a 9950 X3D with a 9070xt for 1440p just because of some virtualization. So why not.

I believe this started with Rob Hallock (when he worked for AMD) saying that 6000 / C30 was optimal for Ryzen 7000.

That was picked up and spread by tech/social media and when the CPUs came out (and for a long time since) most of the AMD EXPO kits available were low latency 6000.

Later benchmarks from reviewers made it plain that 6000 / C30 was the best value and running higher speeds was of dubious advantage (if it worked at all, since AMD didn't support changing the ratio at that time).

The recommendation wasn't really updated when the X3D or 9000 CPUs launched, it just stuck at low latency 6000 (though this was some talk about upping it to 6400).

Digging into the benchmarks though, I'd say if you're not using a 5090 at 1080p, the difference with the X3D CPUs is going to be minimal and I'd not pay e.g. another £50-£100 for a kit just to get C30.

 

[dfour]

Not quite true, not affected is the wrong term. Less affected is how X3D are with memory, yet still C30 6000 is often recommended as a quick Google shows.

How much does it matter? Well it's PC building and your paring a 9950 X3D with a 9070xt for 1440p just because of some virtualization. So why not.

Your correct, I meant to say its not as affected as opposed to a catagorical statement. My bad.

OP also said its a lot of virtualisation hes doing otherwise a 9800x3d would be a better bet for him.

 

[Craig_d1]

Your correct, I meant to say its not as affected as opposed to a catagorical statement. My bad.

OP also said its a lot of virtualisation hes doing otherwise a 9800x3d would be a better bet for him.

prob with these yt vids is these guys generally do a 6000C30 with a 6400C32 then an 8000C40..basically they're all so similar (except the 8000 ram you're not really testing the latency but the difference in the infinity fabric/memory controller 1:1 to 1:2 ratio. it's no wonder they get similar results...I'd like to see a 6000C28 (best 6000 you can get for 6000 roughly), with say the 6000C48 so we can really see the latency effect, and then maybe an older original ddr5 4800C48 (so same timing but then much slower clock), to see same latency with lower speed...
I mean they're people selling their 'futureproof 64gb 4800C48 speed ram sticks they picked up for £300+ when it launched for faster ram now(that was worth it wasn't it)...should do that test just to maybe saying switching isn't such a good idea just yet, or maybe if there is a diff then switch, but maybe next time only buy 32gb, and get 64gb when games actually need it, not for a hypothetical future no one can predict

 

[Craig_d1]

guess i'm just lazy...nothing stopping me really manually changing my own ram speeds to see the difference, thinking about it

 

[sastusbulbas]

Your correct, I meant to say its not as affected as opposed to a catagorical statement. My bad.

OP also said its a lot of virtualisation hes doing otherwise a 9800x3d would be a better bet for him.

Virtualization also benefits from ram as a good set can help mitigate latency in virtual environments.

But regardless, with today's pricing you have a point. My memory was £95 in June/July, today it's £150 for the same kit.