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sweols

sweols

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Hi All,

I'm a long time gaming enthusiast and had my second custom pc built by overclockers in March 2020 which is now beginning to show it's age (warranty just expired, ugh).
Asus Prime x570p, 32gb 3200mhz memory, GTX 2070S, 3700x. Over the last year, I have acquired a second job which require me to do 3D rendering(ArtiCad), which should hopefully evolve into proper 3d modelling (Custom kitchen cabinets in Sketch Up), I'd still very much like the capability of playing games at 1440p.
I have two requirements
I would like DDR5
Case Options
Option 1: Fractal Torrent Nano (ITX)
Option 2: Fractal Mini Pop Air (mATX)
My budget is not very flexible, as it'll be a company expense - £1650

What are your suggestions?

Best wishes,
M
 
If it has to be an entirely new system (and you can build it yourself):

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,665.92 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

With this cooler:

www.tomshardware.com

Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE Review: Incredible, Affordable Air Cooling Performance

Shockingly cool and quiet, less than $40!
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com

I'm not sure if the PSU fits the case, or if the cooler is compatible with ITX motherboards.

I don't know much about those apps you mentioned, so I might have weighted the CPU/GPU wrong and unnecessarily included 64GB of memory.

Personally, I would drop DDR5 and put the money saved into a better graphics card.
 
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Tetras said:
If it has to be an entirely new system (and you can build it yourself):

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,665.92 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

With this cooler:

www.tomshardware.com

Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE Review: Incredible, Affordable Air Cooling Performance

Shockingly cool and quiet, less than $40!
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com

I'm not sure if the PSU fits the case, or if the cooler is compatible with ITX motherboards.

I don't know much about those apps you mentioned, so I might have weighted the CPU/GPU wrong and unnecessarily included 64GB of memory.

Personally, I would drop DDR5 and put the money saved into a better graphics card.
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I hadn't even thought of going intel, does it perform better in rendering? I tend to change my entire setup around every 3 years, theoretically speaking, I could keep quite a few of my existing components. But i'd like something of a smaller scale. Thanks for that. What is your experience with be quiet psu's? I usually go EVGA, but they seem to have fallen off the radar :S
 
EVGA PSUs are as good as the OEM manufacturer that makes them.

That goes for most PSUs.

Depends on the model - Gigabyte has some more questionable models of late but I think that they fixed them.

Never buy a brand, buy a specific model that has been well reviewed.
 
sweols said:
I hadn't even thought of going intel, does it perform better in rendering? I tend to change my entire setup around every 3 years, theoretically speaking, I could keep quite a few of my existing components.
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Umm, it's kind of hard to answer that nowadays, cos it always depends on the app, how single or multi-threaded it is and whether you're more CPU or GPU oriented. Generally speaking, the current generation of Intel CPUs, particularly the lower-end ones (like i5-13500, i5-13600K) are actually better at multi-threading (and most productivity) than lower-end AMD CPUs. That's a reversal of first and second gen Ryzen, which I believe is primarily due to the hybrid architecture.

sweols said:
What is your experience with be quiet psu's? I usually go EVGA, but they seem to have fallen off the radar :S
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Only the reviews I've read, which is honestly very few. I think they have some great and some good, but I believe the Pure Power 12 M is competitively priced for what it offers, which is why I suggest it.
 
Tetras said:
If it has to be an entirely new system (and you can build it yourself):

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,665.92 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

With this cooler:

www.tomshardware.com

Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE Review: Incredible, Affordable Air Cooling Performance

Shockingly cool and quiet, less than $40!
www.tomshardware.com www.tomshardware.com

I'm not sure if the PSU fits the case, or if the cooler is compatible with ITX motherboards.

I don't know much about those apps you mentioned, so I might have weighted the CPU/GPU wrong and unnecessarily included 64GB of memory.

Personally, I would drop DDR5 and put the money saved into a better graphics card.
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I ended up with a very similar build but I went for an small form factor PSU of 850 watts.

www.overclockers.co.uk

Corsair SF-L Series SF850L Fully Modular 80 Plus Gold Low-Noise SFX-L Power Supply

Order Corsair SF-L Series SF850L Fully Modular 80 Plus Gold Low-Noise SFX-L Power Supply now online and benefit from fast delivery.
www.overclockers.co.uk www.overclockers.co.uk


I still think that OPs current rig is easily upgradable to the 5800X3D and 4080 for very solid 1440P gaming.

That being said, 32gigs of RAM can be too little for some 3D apps and 64gigs of DDR5 is not that expensive any more.
 
Tetras said:
Umm, it's kind of hard to answer that nowadays, cos it always depends on the app, how single or multi-threaded it is and whether you're more CPU or GPU oriented. Generally speaking, the current generation of Intel CPUs, particularly the lower-end ones (like i5-13500, i5-13600K) are actually better at multi-threading (and most productivity) than lower-end AMD CPUs. That's a reversal of first and second gen Ryzen, which I believe is primarily due to the hybrid architecture.



Only the reviews I've read, which is honestly very few. I think they have some great and some good, but I believe the Pure Power 12 M is competitively priced for what it offers, which is why I suggest it.
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I really hadn't even thought of going intel - my last experience was hot (lol)
 
What are your thoughts on this?

Two things worth mentioning,
I couldn't find a DDR5 compatible micro-atx motherboard at a reasonable price.
Is it best to way for 4060ti?

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,629.86 (includes delivery: £11.98)​



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I would suggest the following changes:

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,656.83 (includes delivery: £11.99)​

Cooler is just a price placeholder for the one suggested above.

Rationale:
- CPU: has raptor lake cores, more cache, 4 more e-cores.
- RAM: 64GB for 3D work
- SSD: cheaper way to get this capacity and it has decent endurance on paper (and uses TLC).
- PSU: has a 12/16 pin for newer nvidia graphics card, higher capacity for future GPU upgrades and a 10 year warranty (OCUK page says the bequiet in your spec only has 5).

Note: PSU is right on the size limit for the case (150).
 
Tetras said:
I would suggest the following changes:

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,656.83 (includes delivery: £11.99)​

Cooler is just a price placeholder for the one suggested above.

Rationale:
- CPU: has raptor lake cores, more cache, 4 more e-cores.
- RAM: 64GB for 3D work
- SSD: cheaper way to get this capacity and it has decent endurance on paper (and uses TLC).
- PSU: has a 12/16 pin for newer nvidia graphics card, higher capacity for future GPU upgrades and a 10 year warranty (OCUK page says the bequiet in your spec only has 5).

Note: PSU is right on the size limit for the case (150).
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Thank you.
Why DDR4 over DDR5?
 
Tetras said:
You can buy a cheaper board and 64GB, which might be handy for your work. If you run out of memory, it doesn't matter how fast it is.
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that is a fair point, I just have this vision of ddr4 becoming obsolete in a few years. I already have 32gb of memory, of which I could then refuse theoretically. My biggest fear is going for a 4070 and end up sorely disappointed. I have considered going intel arc 770 as a temporary measure (i've heard it's reasonably good at ray tracing, and also have plenty of vram). Ideally, I want the 4070ti, but business bank account doesn't like it - do you have any other solutions, ray tracing is vital.
 
sweols said:
I just have this vision of ddr4 becoming obsolete in a few years.
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It will be, primarily in terms of capacity, e.g. you can get 192GB DDR5 now, but only 128GB DDR4. But, realistically, are you going to need more than 128GB within the life of the system and the available CPU upgrades? For AM5 I guess that might be true, but you can't buy DDR4 for AM5 anyway.

sweols said:
My biggest fear is going for a 4070 and end up sorely disappointed. I have considered going intel arc 770 as a temporary measure (i've heard it's reasonably good at ray tracing, and also have plenty of vram). Ideally, I want the 4070ti, but business bank account doesn't like it - do you have any other solutions, ray tracing is vital.
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Hmm, regardless of how Arc performs in more generic benchmarks, I'm not sure how it would perform for your work and that's the main issue, since nvidia usually has the best support. If you can find some specific benches, or compatibility charts for what you do, then that could help swing the decision either way.

I'm pretty sure a A770 is never going to achieve gaming performance on the level of a 4070 or 4070 Ti though, no matter how many driver updates Intel throw at it.

This is an example build with a 4070 Ti, re-use of your 32GB DDR4 is assumed:

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,645.87 (includes delivery: £11.99)​

I had to change the case because I don't think the cheaper PSU would fit in the Pop.

The 4060 and 4060 Ti are supposed to have both 8GB and 16GB versions, from what I've read, so given your requirements perhaps it would be better to wait and see what kind of builds you can make with one of those.
 
Tetras said:
It will be, primarily in terms of capacity, e.g. you can get 192GB DDR5 now, but only 128GB DDR4. But, realistically, are you going to need more than 128GB within the life of the system and the available CPU upgrades? For AM5 I guess that might be true, but you can't buy DDR4 for AM5 anyway.



Hmm, regardless of how Arc performs in more generic benchmarks, I'm not sure how it would perform for your work and that's the main issue, since nvidia usually has the best support. If you can find some specific benches, or compatibility charts for what you do, then that could help swing the decision either way.

I'm pretty sure a A770 is never going to achieve gaming performance on the level of a 4070 or 4070 Ti though, no matter how many driver updates Intel throw at it.

This is an example build with a 4070 Ti, re-use of your 32GB DDR4 is assumed:

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,645.87 (includes delivery: £11.99)​

I had to change the case because I don't think the cheaper PSU would fit in the Pop.

The 4060 and 4060 Ti are supposed to have both 8GB and 16GB versions, from what I've read, so given your requirements perhaps it would be better to wait and see what kind of builds you can make with one of those.
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I appreciate your input. I've heard rumours about 4060ti being 8gb, not 16? That would be a deal breaker and worthwhile. Saying that, 4070 performance is not exactly ideal from what i've red. I'll follow your advice and wait until 4060ti launches.many thanks
 
sweols said:
I've heard rumours about 4060ti being 8gb, not 16?
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Latest I heard is that both versions will launch, for both cards, so the 4060 16GB could end up a good choice for productivity, similar to the 3060 12GB for this generation.

sweols said:
Saying that, 4070 performance is not exactly ideal
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For gaming at 1440p there's no problem, but if you want to game with ray tracing enabled @ 1440p native, in the latest games, then the long-term playability is probably limited.
 
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