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I'm due a rebuild, my 3570k and 7950 are getting on a bit.

I'm probably going to reuse my case, it's a corsair tower, o forget it's name. But has plenty of cooling, think it's 3 top, 2 front, 2 side, 2 rear. Though the front panel is a pain to remove. So a new case isn't out of the question.

I'll reuse my psu. It's a modular one, think it's a hx1000 (rings a bell)

I'm looking at the 6700k, seems to be to go to choice. Unless something else is better for gaming?

Mobo I'm undecided, but Asus Hero looks reasonable.

Gpu, looking at 1070 sea hawk, or the gaming x.
Quite like the aic idea, potentially get one for the cpu too. I do t fancy building my own loop again.

Ram, undecided on speed etc. I'm a bit out of touch. But probably 32gb (got 16 now)

I'll swap my sdd and my htpc. So will get a new one, a Samsung evo I'd guess.
Is it worth getting one of the newer m2 / nvm ones for os? Or just spend the extra and get one large evo.
I'm happy with my boot speeds. So unless they are much faster, and maybe put a couple of games on os drive too?

Anything I'm overlooking? Budget is very flexible.

Oh I have a Benq 2420xl -120hz. I prefer to run high fps, so not sure I'll be swapping to 1440. Again, I'm pretty happy with it as it. Just struggling to run high fps in newer games. Even on potato settings.
 
Hi,

How about swapping the GFX card first and see how that improves things as a 3570K is still a decent and relevant CPU, if you have a suitable motherboard and a aftermarket heatsink you can also overclock it past 4GHz and reduce the speed deficit between it and a newer cpu.

Edit, just bothered to read the sig and see that you are at 4.2Ghz.
 
I'd agree about changing the gfx first and see how it performs, if you then want to do the rest you haven't lost anything.

I recently moved to Skylake from a Phenom II 955 and chose the i5 6600k. It seemed the i7 only really gave much of an improvement in multithreaded tasks such as video editing etc. Sure it would be better in games too but not enough for the price premium imo. My 6600k runs at 4.6ghz easy on air with a decent but pretty cheap cooler.

No point getting more than 16Gb RAM, 8Gb is ample really.

With my upgrade I got a 512Gb sm951 nvme M.2 and it is awesome. I had an old intel ssd before which is slower than the current ones such as 850 evo, but I was astounded by loading times. Windows loads faster than the BIOS does.
One word of warning, I don't know about other nvme drives but the sm951 was a real pain to get to work as an OS boot drive even on Z170 platform. I had to boot windows in UEFI mode from a USB stick, and tweak various BIOS settings a number of times before finding the right combination that would allow it to work. The ACHI version of the sm951 seemed to be not much slower but a lot more compatible. Having said that I think the sm951 wasn't supposed to be a retail product, rather for system builders.
 
Thanks for the replies.

I was on my phone, forgot i even had a sig :)

I must say, i hadnt thought of just swapping my GPU. This system is coming up to 4 years old now. So just assumed it was past its best.

Playing The Division, i sit around 60fps, but thats obviously with settings right down.

Cooler wise, i have a Noctua N14 DH, which i gather is still among the best. Ive never had any issues with temps in my Corsair 300R.

So the 3570K wont be bottlenecking, or causing any issues with a 1070 ? Or losing performance.
 
Not with a overclock it wont be.

But!!

Your board may need a BIOS update for the newer cards that came out way after its release, thus wiping your overclock which you will have to set again.
 
I don't know much about what bottlenecks what, but even if for some reason your CPU were to hold back the full potential of the 1070, it will still be a massive improvement. As you're running 1080p it will far exceed your ideal framerate. Go enjoy your games at high settings, and if at some point in the future, whether immediately (v unlikely) or in 2 yrs, you find the performance less than perfect, that is the time to upgrade the CPU.
I would suggest you don't need more than a 1060 or RX480, but if you can afford the 1070 it should last a long, long time even if you go up to 1440p.
 
I haven't used an amd for many many years! They haven't had much to compete have they?

I've seen a few videos, with the 6700k pulling a fair few frames more than the 3570k. I assume it was the same card used.
 
This is actually the first intel chip I've ever owned, from my first AMD k6 350mhz! As yes, they have nothing to compete right now. The Zen chips do look quite promising though.

Yes a better cpu will give higher fps. It just depends if you think those extra few frames are a deal breaker I guess. Either way it'll be a big improvement.
 
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Im just struggling to get my head around, my 4-5 year old CPU, being no real different in gaming terms, than the latest ones.

I was going to order some bits, but think i may hold off until theres stock of a card im thinking of.
 
Agreed, do that and see.
Games these days rely so much more on gpu than cpu. Polygon counts, lighting effects and texture detail have gone up a lot over the years, but a similar behind the scenes processing increase hasn't been necessary. My Phenom II was 7yrs old before I retired it.
Sure a better cpu will make a difference, maybe your cpu with a 1070 might perform the same as a new cpu with a 1060. But if that gives you the gaming experience you want right now, by the time it deteriorates there might be better cpus to upgrade to, and you still have a decent gpu to go with it.
 
Ive entered full research mode.

Come across quite a few recent threads on here, saying a 3570k will bottleneck, maybe only some game, and maybe not much if overclocked.

Im going to order a card over the weekend. I changed from the MSi to a Zotac Amp Extreme. Ill stick with the 1070, as there is no way im paying £700 for the 1080! Bloody Brexit!
 
Ha! Cool, let us know how it goes.
I've pre-ordered a Sapphire Nitro+ OC RX480 so hopefully we'll both have new cards by next weekend :)
 
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