New car time - EV PCP deals?

Yes in the example given that 50% point would be exactly month 36 if sticking with the suggest deposit. Also if you had back you would have spent £16,610 or ~£461 per month plus electricity and insurance costs etc. This is why keeping a PCP until the end and seeing what it is worth can be a good idea, worst case scenario you've had 12 months more use of the vehicle and are no worse off in real terms, best case the car is markedly higher in value than the GFV and you can buy it and sell privately and re-purchase, or trade it against another vehicle directly, again you weigh up what will get you the most at the time.
 
He is correct though - but there is no certainty or easy way to calculate.

The difference between a lease and a personal contract plan is that the personal contract plan has a fixed value at the end which you can pay to keep the vehicle, whereas a lease is just a long term hire car that goes back.

Generally, this fee (Known as the 'guaranteed future value') will be lower than the actual value of the vehicle, meaning you'll have some equity in the car at the end (ie, you'll owe less to buy it than its value). If you hand the car back to the finance company at the end of the agreement, you lose this.

But if you pay the fee and purchase the car from the finance company you can sell it and keep this equity. Alternatively, which is what most people do, you can use this equity when you trade the car in towards another. For example, if the guaranteed future value is £10k but the car is worth £12k in trade-in, you get that extra £2k towards your next car (The other £10k going towards settling the finance agreement).

To calculate the true total cost of a personal contract plan over the time you intend to have the car you need to be able to subtract the equity value from the total you've paid. But you can't easily do this as you don't know what it is. Historically it was fairly easy, just look at the value of an older version of the same model, adjust the figure for changes in model and a bit of inflation and you could have a reasonably sensible estimate of what that equity might be. But in the current market this is impossible - car values are so different to historical levels that its very hard to predict what anything bought now will be worth in 2026.

I don't like personal contract plans for this reason - the only certainty you have is the monthly payment, the true cost is difficult to calculate and all of the focus is on the monthly amount not the total cost which is the opposite of how any sensible appraisal of a purchase should work. People take them out because the monthly payments are lower as you only pay off the difference between the purchase price and the final value (Though don't forget you pay interest on the full amount borrowed). Typically this means people pay more for a car without realising because they focused only on monthly payments. This is why the motor industry likes them.
thanks, appreciate the time it took to write that. I understand the concepts of PCP vs PCH/Lease/Loans etc, it's just the unknowns. The PCH deals can be quite good, but there's never equity or option to buy, and you're more likely to get stung for stone chips and what they deem to not be acceptable wear and tear. It's just the unknown bits that make it so hard to work out, as you say.

I'm just gonna have to get myself on autotrader and start mooching about and tyre kicking the old fashioned way. MG have confirmed 9 months at least which is pretty much what I expected.

What are people's thoughts on PCH?
 
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A risk a consumer has to remember though is PCP's are mileage based, and going over can cost a lot.
Only if you plan to give the car back at the end ;) if you purchase it, the mileage doesn't matter. So if you know you'll pay/finance the balloon payment, choose the lowest mileage on the contract as you could do triple it and it won't matter as you're buying.
 
Only if you plan to give the car back at the end ;) if you purchase it, the mileage doesn't matter. So if you know you'll pay/finance the balloon payment, choose the lowest mileage on the contract as you could do triple it and it won't matter as you're buying.
Totally fair point - plans do change though, and you can't increase the miles (and folk can't be trusted to budget properly) :D
 
Totally fair point - plans do change though, and you can't increase the miles (and folk can't be trusted to budget properly) :D
Yup, just one of the many things to weigh up when PCPing.

I'm allowed to change the mileage limit on my lease/PCH. I believe it's just pro-rata'd for the remainder. I've got an 8k limit and already done 4800 after 6 months. That said, once I move my mileage will drop quite a bit as I'll live next to the train station :D
 
God this is a nightmare. It's scary how expensive everything is becoming.

I'm not sure how to find something that isn't a high mileage rust bucket or costs £500 a month.

I don't even think I have that high standards, I just don't want any old thing purely for a to b driving. Cheap as possible isn't the aim.. A nice balance is.
 
God this is a nightmare. It's scary how expensive everything is becoming.

I'm not sure how to find something that isn't a high mileage rust bucket or costs £500 a month.

Well you are paying out £350pm now, how much below that do you want to go? Obviously things like insurance etc. need to be considered in to that figure, so what are you aiming for?
 
Well you are paying out £350pm now, how much below that do you want to go? Obviously things like insurance etc. need to be considered in to that figure, so what are you aiming for?
I wouldn't like to go much above £400 for everything including fuel if possible. Realistically I pay about £400 now with electricity. I just want a mid sized car that isn't utter garbage and doesn't cost the earth run either. A small shopping trolly on wheels isn't suitable for me due the camping trips we do and the hobbies I have. I'm not expecting crazy performance either. I've had quick cars for a few years now so I'll have to grow up and accept I no longer can afford that. But something that takes 12s to 60 etc will frustrate the crap out of me. Most of the toy in the model three are luxuries I do not need but things like AC and a basic cruise control are pretty important.

Taking the MG ZS EV as an example, a model 3 it certainly is not, but it seems to have decent range, the required features, a perk of V2L (handy for said hobbies and camping). Yes, it's a canny chunk up front then £400pm, but insurance is coming through as £300 annually and being an EV the fuel cost is (for now) a LOT less than petrol car getting an average 40mpg. It's all such a big balance game.
 
If its 4 years then its almost £25,000. I cannot possibly see how this is a good idea? You must be able to buy and run any number of better cars for less than £25,000 over 4 years.

The Tesla deal was good because of the incredibly favourable tax treatment of electric cars through the various salary schemes. The true cost of the Tesla lease was much more than the £14k you paid.

I'm not sure how or where you're seeing better deals? I'm clearly not adept at car buying and deal hunting, but any car that's £30k financed on PCP is going to equate to that sort of money? Surely the only way to get better is go used, older, and with higher mileage, and then I'm still looking at circa 10% APR as opposed to the lower, albeit still eye watering, rates of new cars? Then moving away from EV to lower the cost of the vehicle itself, I'm doubling or trebling the monthly fuel costs.
 
I'm not sure how or where you're seeing better deals? I'm clearly not adept at car buying and deal hunting, but any car that's £30k financed on PCP is going to equate to that sort of money? Surely the only way to get better is go used, older, and with higher mileage, and then I'm still looking at circa 10% APR as opposed to the lower, albeit still eye watering, rates of new cars? Then moving away from EV to lower the cost of the vehicle itself, I'm doubling or trebling the monthly fuel costs.
Bank loan at 2.9% might get you close to budget if you're willing to go used, and you'll own it at the end without needing to worry about mileage?
 
I have savings, enough that I could almost go out and buy a £30k out right, but that would wipe me out. I have zero equity (not a home owner) so I'm reluctant to use up too much of my life savings. I'm happy to part out with £5k or so as a deposit towards a good PCP deal or a temp car (where I'd hopefully make £4k of it back selling it on etc.). I'm not sure a bank loan is the best way forward, with all the repayment and interest there; payments would be £500-600 pm on a £25k loan etc.
 
I wouldn't like to go much above £400 for everything including fuel if possible. Realistically I pay about £400 now with electricity. I just want a mid sized car that isn't utter garbage and doesn't cost the earth run either. A small shopping trolly on wheels isn't suitable for me due the camping trips we do and the hobbies I have. I'm not expecting crazy performance either. I've had quick cars for a few years now so I'll have to grow up and accept I no longer can afford that. But something that takes 12s to 60 etc will frustrate the crap out of me. Most of the toy in the model three are luxuries I do not need but things like AC and a basic cruise control are pretty important.

Taking the MG ZS EV as an example, a model 3 it certainly is not, but it seems to have decent range, the required features, a perk of V2L (handy for said hobbies and camping). Yes, it's a canny chunk up front then £400pm, but insurance is coming through as £300 annually and being an EV the fuel cost is (for now) a LOT less than petrol car getting an average 40mpg. It's all such a big balance game.

Not sure why you don't just PCP the MG ZS EV Trophy, and opt to keep it at the end regardless, no need to worry about mileage allowances etc. then. It's going to put you over budget, or you could as above see if you can secure a low interest bank loan, but then the monthlies will be much higher as you'll be paying off the full balance over around 5 years, rather than 2/3 the cost, which could be then financed at the end. Yes you are going to pay interest quite lot of it, or you opt for a second hand Skoda Fabia estate or something at around £10-12k and just pay the fuel costs for the next 4 years.
 
Not sure why you don't just PCP the MG ZS EV Trophy, and opt to keep it at the end regardless, no need to worry about mileage allowances etc. then. It's going to put you over budget, or you could as above see if you can secure a low interest bank loan, but then the monthlies will be much higher as you'll be paying off the full balance over around 5 years, rather than 2/3 the cost, which could be then financed at the end. Yes you are going to pay interest quite lot of it, or you opt for a second hand Skoda Fabia estate or something at around £10-12k and just pay the fuel costs for the next 4 years.

That's what I'm currently leaning towards, assuming I can get one in stock (MG have ceased ALL EV orders). This is not a dig at [TW]Fox, but I'm easily swayed or steered by comments like "20k for an MG?" etc. As a chronic stressy over thinker, I read that as a 30k PCP deal on an MG is the worst possible decision a human could make :D

I still can't work out where "£20k for 3 years" comes from? It's a four year deal and assuming I did keep it for longer, like 6 years say, it's more like £25k for 6 years if I buy it at the end, and assuming it might be worth only £8k after 6 years. It's impossible to know, which is why this is so hard. Realistically will i want to keep the same car 6 years though? Possibly (probably) not...
 
That's what I'm currently leaning towards, assuming I can get one in stock (MG have ceased ALL EV orders). This is not a dig at [TW]Fox, but I'm easily swayed or steered by comments like "20k for an MG?" etc. As a chronic stressy over thinker, I read that as a 30k PCP deal on an MG is the worst possible decision a human could make :D

It's money, you earn it you spend it, whether or not it is a good deal is up to you to decide. I personally would have to think long and hard about that sort of outlay, just like you have been. Not due to the cost more due to the value side of things, its not even the type of car or brand as it is merely transport for the most part that fits your needs.

Something like the £10k secondhand 1.0L estate car with £5-6k fuel bill over 4 years will save you £5k+, you can do an awful lot with £5k+ of extra money, food for thought.
 
It's money, you earn it you spend it, whether or not it is a good deal is up to you to decide. I personally would have to think long and hard about that sort of outlay, just like you have been. Not due to the cost more due to the value side of things, its not even the type of car or brand as it is merely transport for the most part that fits your needs.

Something like the £10k secondhand 1.0L estate car with £5-6k fuel bill over 4 years will save you £5k+, you can do an awful lot with £5k+ of extra money, food for thought.
That's very true.

That price bracket car type is not something I've really focused on. What car would you recommend there? A small astra estate or focus/mondeo?
 
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