New CTR

Xellos · 15 Sep 2006 at 23:36

sloth said:
Love the looks of the new Type R. No mention of LSD though. Price will start at £18,500 according to my local dealer. My guess is that the GT version will be £1500 more expensive without sat nav.

I considered waiting for the new CTR before buying my ST but after seeing the headline specs and the pricing I'm glad I never. But depending how it is to drive I may well be very tempted to change to it in 1.5 years time.

The car has a VSA button, meaning it has some form of traction control, shame really as Honda said it wouldnt be fully loaded with crap like this and whats with the dual climate control :confused:

Arc · 15 Sep 2006 at 23:42

Xellos said:
The car has a VSA button, meaning it has some form of traction control, shame really as Honda said it wouldnt be fully loaded with crap like this and whats with the dual climate control

Just means that they can produce the stripped out Type RR version with no extras, if they ever decide to make it.

[TW]Fox · 15 Sep 2006 at 23:47

I don't understand the point in features like dual zone climate control in something like a Civic Type-R. It's a hot hatch, no hot hatch owner should give a damn about the exact comfort of their passengers and suchlike.

James_N · 16 Sep 2006 at 00:05

[TW]Fox said:
I don't understand the point in features like dual zone climate control in something like a Civic Type-R. It's a hot hatch, no hot hatch owner should give a damn about the exact comfort of their passengers and suchlike.

Exactly. I think id rather have the Integra Type R and save myself about 10k. The integra is much more focused and overall a much better car to drive. I havent driven both mind, a friend of mine has had an ITR and drove my CTR and he said the Integra was miles ahead generally.

Type RR if they make it, should be a bit better, albeit more expensive.

Bobbler · 16 Sep 2006 at 00:08

[TW]Fox said:
I don't understand the point in features like dual zone climate control in something like a Civic Type-R. It's a hot hatch, no hot hatch owner should give a damn about the exact comfort of their passengers and suchlike.

Indeed Foxy, I am with you on this. The Type R branding was supposed to be no compromise. Not full of weighty bumph which appeals to the fleet buyers LOL.
Looking at the left hand drive model I see dual zone climate, phone controls, sat nav, cruise control, etc... hardly something befitting the R badge IMO.
Still I like the car personally, cant wait for the reviews on how the important stuff like handling and feel come along.

[TW]Fox · 16 Sep 2006 at 00:54

I just don't know what market they are going after with this car - infact, actually, I think I do, and it isn't good news.

Currently, Type-R means something. It is not simply a trim level - it stands for something special amongst the Honda range, and I don't need to explain what that is.

The minute you start stuffing it with full leather, Xenons, dual zone climate, onboard telephone, satnav system, etc etc, it begins to dilute what makes Type-R special. If you want stuff like that, buy an Accord Type-V or whatever it's called.

I like cars with dual zone climate control, satnav, onboard telephone, Xenons and suchlike. Infact I don't want a car without them, but that makes me the sort of person for whom the Type-R isnt really aimed at, and the addition of stuff like this still would not tempt me.....

.... but it would tempt fleet buyers. It'll be on everyones company cars lists and if they are not careful, it'll be a car found in droves at Motorway service station carparks driven by late 20's early 30's reps who try and look cool. This will result in short term sales success but the fact Type-R's will be everywhere with Masterlease numberplates will, in the long term, dilute the Type-R brand.

Look what happened to VW with GTI. Simply a trim level until they unborked it again with the Mk5. As much as I would never buy anything with a Type-R badge, I don't want to see the brand destroyed either.

Psycrow · 16 Sep 2006 at 02:14

Pretty much what Fox said sums up how I feel. Type R should mean light, stripped out version of a honda car with the bare essentials (well aircon if you are lucky). I thought it was bad enough when they didn't put an LSDs in the UK Civic type-R, but stuff like traction control, duel zone climate etc just doesn't belong in that type of car. They are trying to get some sales back from the likes of the Focus ST from company car lists me thinks.

TheDome · 16 Sep 2006 at 09:15

I dont mind the looks too much i aint keen on the back though. I also wouldnt mock the car too much as lets face it.....none of us know how its going to drive etc etc....but when looking at it on paper i cant really see it being a B road terror.

But this quote from the sly Fox somes it up 100% as i feel this is what honda may be wanting....which is a little sad

[TW]Fox said:
.... but it would tempt fleet buyers. It'll be on everyones company cars lists and if they are not careful, it'll be a car found in droves at Motorway service station carparks driven by late 20's early 30's reps who try and look cool. This will result in short term sales success but the fact Type-R's will be everywhere with Masterlease numberplates will, in the long term, dilute the Type-R brand.

kippermitten · 16 Sep 2006 at 09:22

Hate said:
omg

that website is truly awful... why oh why do people insist on making such abominations.

click gallery, what do you get? a load of whizzing around thumbnails and stupid sfx.

Also, surely with the new turbocharged hot hatches I can't help but feel the civic will always be seen as "weaker"

Some marketing and PR fools got paid to do that? Jaysus what a pile of donkeh poop! Binned as soon as things started to fly around the screen.

FireBIade · 16 Sep 2006 at 14:25

Psycrow said:
Pretty much what Fox said sums up how I feel. Type R should mean light, stripped out version of a honda car with the bare essentials (well aircon if you are lucky). I thought it was bad enough when they didn't put an LSDs in the UK Civic type-R, but stuff like traction control, duel zone climate etc just doesn't belong in that type of car. They are trying to get some sales back from the likes of the Focus ST from company car lists me thinks.

I think Fox and yourself are almost correct. But for me Type-R doesn't necessarily mean light & stripped out, I see it as meaning 'an exhilarating driving experience'. As we know Honda go to extraordinary lengths to modify their cars to get better handling/performance & yet still quite good economy & reliability. Now, the trend over the years has been light and stripped out like the Integra & current CTR just going out. Imagine the old CTR with the same or slightly better performance and with a more exciting interior. Personally I think they might be on to a winning combination, I would like to drive a car with more gadgets and the as good performance as the current CTR giving the same 'or better' exhilarating drive.

As for the looks the rear for me looks too 'busy' with grills and things, side profile is nice (not excellent) and the front is pretty sweet.

Fire..

Bear · 16 Sep 2006 at 19:32

[TW]Fox said:
I just don't know what market they are going after with this car - infact, actually, I think I do, and it isn't good news.

Currently, Type-R means something. It is not simply a trim level - it stands for something special amongst the Honda range, and I don't need to explain what that is.

The minute you start stuffing it with full leather, Xenons, dual zone climate, onboard telephone, satnav system, etc etc, it begins to dilute what makes Type-R special. If you want stuff like that, buy an Accord Type-V or whatever it's called.

I like cars with dual zone climate control, satnav, onboard telephone, Xenons and suchlike. Infact I don't want a car without them, but that makes me the sort of person for whom the Type-R isnt really aimed at, and the addition of stuff like this still would not tempt me.....

.... but it would tempt fleet buyers. It'll be on everyones company cars lists and if they are not careful, it'll be a car found in droves at Motorway service station carparks driven by late 20's early 30's reps who try and look cool. This will result in short term sales success but the fact Type-R's will be everywhere with Masterlease numberplates will, in the long term, dilute the Type-R brand.

Look what happened to VW with GTI. Simply a trim level until they unborked it again with the Mk5. As much as I would never buy anything with a Type-R badge, I don't want to see the brand destroyed either.

To be honest I dont think the Type R badge means what it used to. The Civic breadvan was supposed to be a stripped out light weight car but it wasnt really, its a slightly softer version that wasnt really like the previous Type Rs. I suppose we demand extra safely features these days so thats where the 1200kgs comes into it.

gobbo · 16 Sep 2006 at 19:43

I've had a thorough read of the specs for this now, and whilst I like the looks of it a LOT, the VTEC engine is awsome, but I do (strangely enough) agree with Fox, Type-R should be more than a trim level, it should be like the M range, or the AMG range etc, something special.

dsb · 16 Sep 2006 at 20:04

ah that could be a future ring car if it lost all the lard, rip it out keep it simple keep it fast.

loltim · 16 Sep 2006 at 20:34

Yeah the DC2 Integra and EK9 CTR are proper examples of what Type R used to mean. I'm suprised how many CTR breadvan owners went with aircon, jessies

JediFragger · 16 Sep 2006 at 20:48

Tim said:
Yeah the DC2 Integra and EK9 CTR are proper examples of what Type R used to mean

Gotta agree, and these were the first iterations of the Type-R brand - Honda have lost their way far too quickly for my liking