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Hi All,

After some advise. I purchase a SMSL M3 USB/Optical fiber/ Coaxial Function Hi-Fi Audio Decoder All-in-one Amp to drive my Bayerdynamic DT990 250OHM's last year. Not sure if it's me but they seem quiet and on the Dac as soon as you go 3/4 on the volume it does nothing.

So questions are:

  1. Am I deaf?
  2. Is the Dac powerful enough to drive the headset
  3. What other Dacs/Soundcard could i use
Thanks
 
I would say that the M3 should power the DT990 to very loud volume levels. They're not that hard to drive really compared to say AKG K702.

If you check Z review on YouTube, he gives it a good writeup.

Not sure what you mean when you say that going past 3/4 volume does nothing?

Maybe that's an indication of a fault.
 
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There seems to be a big jump (not ignoring the db scale) from moderate to fairly loud with those headphones:

100 dB SPL 0.79 Vrms 3.16 mA 2.5 mW
110 dB SPL 2.51 Vrms 10.04 mA 25.2 mW

The M3 can manage about 30mW into 250 ohm with 1.92Vrms so you are kind of hitting a limit potentially at the upper end of reasonable.

Not sure what you mean when you say that going past 3/4 volume does nothing?

Could be down to the taper of the potentiometer used.
 
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What would be the best option in terms of an upgrade then? Mainly use these for gaming purposes.
For gaming you would want binaural-simulation.
DT990 works really well for that.
Just listen first stereo sound (that's what you get from "DACs") starting at 13 minutes and then return to start.
Should sound like different game...
 
There seems to be a big jump (not ignoring the db scale) from moderate to fairly loud with those headphones:

100 dB SPL 0.79 Vrms 3.16 mA 2.5 mW
110 dB SPL 2.51 Vrms 10.04 mA 25.2 mW

The M3 can manage about 30mW into 250 ohm with 1.92Vrms so you are kind of hitting a limit potentially at the upper end of reasonable.

I think many headphones see a big jump in power requirement when going from 100dB to 110dB. Seems it's roughly around 10-11x more power needed to go from 100dB to 110dB for the ones I've looked at. HD600 go from needing 6mW to 66mW. Goldring D150, which are 32Ω, go from 3mW to 32mW. Denon D2000 go from 0.26mW to 2.5mW, and only 8mW for 115dB, compared to 210mW for that of the HD600. A potato could literally power the D2000. :D


30mw @250ohm is pretty puny, the Schiit Magni 2 manages 260mw @300ohms, though that is an amp only.

The Magni is mains powered though. You won't get anything like that from USB powered. Just looking at the FiiO E10K, the M3 has got around half the power into 32Ω. When it comes to 250Ω though, it's a different story it would seem, according to someone on Head-Fi who calculated that the E10K outputs 27mw, which is around the same as the M3. Whether his calculations are accurate though, I don't know.

Gain will be significant here and it seems that SMSL don't say what gain they use for their amps, which doesn't help. E10K has a high gain of 8.8dB, which is likely a fair bit more than the M3 if the OP is not getting the desired volume with around 30mw into 250Ω with his DT990's. The E10K does a pretty decent job of driving the HD600/650 on high gain, which demand roughly 2.5x more power that the DT990 needs. The extra gain the E10K has over the M3 is likely the difference.

Soundblaster Z, if the OP wants sound positional effect stuff. If not and he wants just stereo without effect stuff, E10K is a good cheaper DAC/amp option; maybe SMSL M6 if he has a bigger budget, which has around 4x the power of the M3 for the higher impedances.
 
Yeah the db scale jumps up like that - but off the top of my head I had thought other headphones saw a bit less of a jump in power requirement looks like I was wrong most seem around 10-11x which makes sense.

USB if done properly can drive a fairly decent amount of power - the ones I've been building DIY can manage around 420mW max from a lower powered USB source or double that if plugged into like a mobile phone charger (might have the calculations slightly wrong but it is close enough ballpark).

EDIT: The USB powered O2 clone I built can do 135mW into a 250ohm load which isn't up there with the desktop amps but way better than the M3 heh - again doubling up on the DC-DC POL used and connecting it to a higher powered USB source would double that.
 
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Denon D2000 go from 0.26mW to 2.5mW, and only 8mW for 115dB... A potato could literally power the D2000. :D
About literally...

With actually rather loud 85dB considered about safe level for long exposure some 110dB already gives rather considerable range for peaks of music.
Though content with low average signal and lot higher peaks can demand good amount more.
(then again quiet parts of say classic/sinfonic music are intended to be quiet)
 
Does Schitt ship to the UK for reasonable prices yet? An AAsgard would be a nice pick. Very high power. I REALLY like the sound signature of Schiit. A lot of people talk schiit about it but I think they make great schiit personally.
 
As Rroff has posted, Schiit has an outlet right here in the UK.

Schiit.eu used to be called Electromod and have been selling Schiit gear for years.
 
Just wanted to say thanks for the advise. I got a new Soundblaster Z and the difference is huge, so thanks again all.
 
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