New DLSS 3 - Only Software Locked?

Neil79 · 13 Oct 2022 at 11:19

Nvidia should be spat on... DLSS 3.0 is just software locked.

Getting near double fps on a 2070... of course, its "fake fps" but still... wtf Nvidia.

Imagine if we got this stuff for our 3090ti's the 4000 series would look like a total scam.

A bit OT but somebody managed to make the frame generation work on a 2060 on a pre release version of CP which already includes the new graphical options:

Nvidia recently introduced DLSS 3 to its brand-new RTX 40-series graphics cards, however, it seems that the feature can be used by older graphics cards, to great effect, as one Reddit user has found.

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Nvidia recently introduced DLSS 3 to its brand-new RTX 40-series graphics cards, however, it seems that the feature can be used by older graphics cards, to great effect, as one Reddit user has found.

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Grim5 · 13 Oct 2022 at 11:20

People reporting it's buggy, they get frame stuttering and lag spikes on older cards

Nvidia already said all RTX cards can do frame generation, it's just it doesn't run well on older cards and now you can see they were right

Neil79 · 13 Oct 2022 at 11:22

Grim5 said:
People reporting it's buggy, they get frame stuttering and lag spikes on older cards

Nvidia already said all RTX cards can do frame generation, it's just it doesn't run well on older cards and now you can see they were right

Perhaps it's just the first release? I mean I can now use a fully working DLSS on my GTX 980 system, which wasn't possible many months ago.

Ayahuasca · 13 Oct 2022 at 11:24

Even though Ampere and Turding have optical flow accelerators, they are much slower. I'll be surprised if left unlocked if it ever gets to a point of being usable on anything but the 4 series.

Need someone to test it on a 3090ti if that Reddit user isn't capping about the whole thing.

Nexus18 · 13 Oct 2022 at 11:47

Grim5 said:
People reporting it's buggy, they get frame stuttering and lag spikes on older cards

Nvidia already said all RTX cards can do frame generation, it's just it doesn't run well on older cards and now you can see they were right

This.

DF/Nvidia have said it can work but it wouldn't be as good of an experience and they don't want customers/bad press of it being "laggy and looking bad", however, if given time and the resources they probably could bring it to ampere so who knows, maybe in a year or 2 ampere will get it "officially".

dazzlaa · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:00

Just saw a Hardware Unboxed video that demonstrates input latency increases when using DLSS3.. Quite interesting. Mentions 120fps gaming feels like 40fps with the added latency. Not sure I'd want that even with a hack.

Ayahuasca · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:03

dazzlaa said:
Mentions 120fps gaming feels like 40fps with the added latency. Not sure I'd want that even with a hack.

Strange, DFs findings weren't like that so I'm now wondering who's right...

Nexus18 · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:05

dazzlaa said:
Just saw a Hardware Unboxed video that demonstrates input latency increases when using DLSS3.. Quite interesting. Mentions 120fps gaming feels like 40fps with the added latency. Not sure I'd want that even with a hack.

Ayahuasca said:
Strange, DFs findings weren't like that so I'm now wondering who's right...

It depends entirely on if you're using vsync and if you are and you're hitting your screen refresh rate, you're getting silly high input lag I.e. 100+ms. If you aren't using vsync or/and not hitting your screen refresh rate then latency added is about 10-15ms i.e. in same scenario, going from 30 to 40-45ms

Ayahuasca · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:06

Nexus18 said:
It depends entirely on if you're using vsync and if you are and you're hitting your screen refresh rate, you're getting silly high input lag I.e. 100+ms. If you aren't using vsync or/and not hitting your screen refresh rate then latency added is about 10-15ms

So the latency issue is easily avoided then?

Harlequin · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:06

Ayahuasca said:
Strange, DFs findings weren't like that so I'm now wondering who's right...

Thats because Digital Shilleries are just acting as the PR company for Nvidia

Harlequin · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:07

Nexus18 · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:07

Ayahuasca said:
So the latency issue is easily avoided then?

In terms of the massive latency spikes to 100+, yes. In terms of avoiding a 10-15ms increase, no.

But yes, DF = shills :rolleyes:

Neil79 · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:19

So DLSS adds Latency to games? Does that include DLSS 2 as well then? Never knew that

Ayahuasca · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:20

Nexus18 said:
In terms of the massive latency spikes to 100+, yes. In terms of avoiding a 10-15ms increase, no.

10-15ms is no biggie in single player titles I'd be looking to use it.

Not really required for any competitive multiplayer titles so seems a good trade off.

MCFC_ANDY · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:20

Harlequin said:

interesting watch that tbf

dazzlaa · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:22

I like the idea, I mean, I do use DLSS 2.0 but I would definitely not be happy with those kinds of numbers on latency. Hopefully the 4090 owners can give further insight.

Nexus18 · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:23

Neil79 said:
So DLSS adds Latency to games? Does that include DLSS 2 as well then? Never knew that

DLSS 2/super resolution aspect? Nope, it lowers input latency since FPS is higher. Only reason dlss 3 i.e. frame generation adds input latency is because of the way the tech works.

Ayahuasca said:
10-15ms is no biggie in single player titles I'd be looking to use it.

Not really required for any competitive multiplayer titles so seems a good trade off.

Exactly and for those games where you are hitting 40/50+ms with frame generation, you can simply use a lower preset of dlss or/and lower settings to bring it back down. As per tftcentral:

Class 1) Less than 16ms / 1 frame lag – should be fine for gamers, even at high levels
Class 2) A lag of 16 – 32ms / One to two frames – moderate lag but should be fine for many gamers
Class 3) A lag of more than 32ms / more than 2 frames – Some noticeable lag in daily usage, not suitable for high end gaming

Nexus18 · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:25

I would recommend watching DF/Alex testing on the input latency bit:

MCFC_ANDY · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:26

dazzlaa said:
I like the idea, I mean, I do use DLSS 2.0 but I would definitely not be happy with those kinds of numbers on latency. Hopefully the 4090 owners can give further insight.

things like that wouldnt bother 4090 buyers tbh, most are part time gamers an couldnt tell the difference anyway tbf, the tech gifted would im sure, ut it be ironed out eventually

dazzlaa · 13 Oct 2022 at 12:31

MCFC_ANDY said:
things like that wouldnt bother 4090 buyers tbh, most are part time gamers an couldnt tell the difference anyway tbf, the tech gifted would im sure, ut it be ironed out eventually

I'm not sure about that. £2K Is a significant outlay for a casual gamer. What I would struggle with is finding a reason to use it. My 3090 barely struggles but I could use the extra resources. But it what scenario would you want to boost graphical detail to a level where your latency increases so much. Just doesn't seem worth it. Unless, like suggested above, they iron out the issues?