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New Dual Nvidia 5X0 card coming THIS year! GTX580 15-20% faster than GTX480! GTX560 possible release

layte said:
My pair of 480's are matching a quadfire setup, cant say I'm disappointed with that.

(Must resist temptation to rebench with the latest drivers...) ;)
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Incorrect. They were slightly behind in most benches, and considerably behind in max fps (which I admit does not matter) in a few benches and that's with your cards overclocked. Mine only had a 50mhz clock increase :D My conclucion was there would be no discernable difference between the setups as min and average were around the same which at the time people were saying nvidia had higher min. framerates. This doesn't take into account microstutter which I have measured on both setups using duffmans program and nvidia is superior in that regard. Overall I'd say the sli setup gives a slightly smoother gaming experience then the quadfire setup. That's my subjective opinion.
 
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Overall yes, but in this case I was referring to the DIRT2 results which seemed to become the focal point for this shameful thread (DX9 score-gate being my particular highlight). I should have clarified that.
 
No worries. Although I have to say, the blasted thing ran a bit faster 2nd time round. Like that Heaven bench I suppose with all the texture caching that happens on 1st run true.
 
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layte said:
Who was moaning about Anand being biased for Nvidia?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4002/amd-radeon-hd-6850-overclocking-roundup-asus-xfx-msi

Where are the overclocked 460 scores in that review!?!?
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Errm,

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/...renewing-competition-in-the-midrange-market/7

Thats the actual release review, where they included a 460gtx card with a 26% core overclock, which btw is 850Mhz, which btw most expensive 460gtx OCUK sell is £180 for a 780Mhz card. EDITED:- Didn't really check enough cards, theres a 810 and 815Mhz card, usually £180 but down to £170 on this week only, still no sign of a 850Mhz card.

They included this at the request of Nvidia, and got a HUGE amount of e-mails complaining about it and the lack of overclocking results included for teh 6870/6850 in the actual release review.

So they used a card thats almost unavailable, will cost £200 +, is an overclock not even all cards can achieve afaik.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4002/amd-radeon-hd-6850-overclocking-roundup-asus-xfx-msi/8

With a sub 26% overclock(not that much, but still less) the 6850 gets 42fps in Crysis, while the overclocked, almost unavailable, uber 460gtx 1gb gets

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/...renewing-competition-in-the-midrange-market/8

So in a default review they include a VERY expensive version of a 460gtx making it look like the 6870/6850 can't touch a 460gtx, then in the overclocking review they show that all the cards can overclock 22% and at this speed can basically match the uber expensive 460gtx and utterly trash a stock 460gtx so they leave the Nvidia beating results out.

So one review, Nvidia win with an overclocked very expensive version of their card, the other review, which would show AMD beating this card, they leave it out.

This also ignores the information that the highest overclocked 6850, with voltage increase uses less power than a stock 460gtx 1gb, despite the fact that Anandtech mention elsewhere in the review that once you overclock with an overvolt aswell any power savings go out the window. So a faster card uses less power than a 460gtx when heavily overclocked, no power saving, ok........

The uber 850Mhz overclocked Nvidia card uses a further 27W more than the stock 460gtx edition, so the overclocked 6850 which costs less than a stock 460gtx, overclocked they can all beat the heavily overclocked EVGA edition which uses noticably more power and would cost you £200 +.


All that add's up to, Anandtech are just dumb, I didn't say they were Nvidia biased, just not a particularly good review site, they are NO WHERE NEAR the quality they were 2-3 years ago and very odd now.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3988/the-use-of-evgas-geforce-gtx-460-***-in-last-nights-review

Here's the article they felt they had to publish after the HUGE amount of complaints they got about including the single most expensive and highest overclocked, cherry picked 850Mhz eVGA card they had been sent and requested to use for the review.

Infact, before you highlighted it I was mostly willing to believe Anandtech were just a bit daft and not as good, you've highlighted things that suggest to me they may infact be Nvidia biased, well done.
 
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You are the one of the most partisan posters on this forum when it comes to talking about AMD and Nvidia. At least we know you have a financial reason for it, something I can understand and respect over blind brand loyalty. So seeing you accusing a respected site like Anandtech is a bit much.

Personally I think the second article was a mistake, they should not have pandered to all the whiny kiddies moaning about a non existent Nvidia favouritism, but at least it got AMD off of their backsides and forced them to allow there partners to make some worthy overclocked parts, to the benefit of everyone. As for the original, ill advised is what I would say. I've been following the site for too long to believe that a few freebies could sway them, you say otherwise, but have all the baggage and history of being a AMD/ATI shill. To say the quality of the site is not what it once was is utter rubbish. Many of the articles in the IT section are superb, and I remember even recently all the praise the site was getting for their history of the R700-800 series of articles (which were very pro AMD PR pieces, but still a very good read and in no way indicated some nefarious favouritism)
 
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Looks sweet:)

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layte said:
You are the one of the most partisan posters on this forum when it comes to talking about AMD and Nvidia. At least we know you have a financial reason for it, something I can understand and respect over blind brand loyalty. So seeing you accusing a respected site like Anandtech is a bit much.

Personally I think the second article was a mistake, they should not have pandered to all the whiny kiddies moaning about a non existent Nvidia favouritism, but at least it got AMD off of their backsides and forced them to allow there partners to make some worthy overclocked parts, to the benefit of everyone. As for the original, ill advised is what I would say. I've been following the site for too long to believe that a few freebies could sway them, you say otherwise, but have all the baggage and history of being a AMD/ATI shill. To say the quality of the site is not what it once was is utter rubbish. Many of the articles in the IT section are superb, and I remember even recently all the praise the site was getting for their history of the R700-800 series of articles (which were very pro AMD PR pieces, but still a very good read and in no way indicated some nefarious favouritism)
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I'm an AMD shill, because I use both Nvidia and AMD stocks to make some money, ok, being most partisan, no being truthful, accusing Anandtech of being pro Nvidia, again something I didn't do.

Using articles on IT(general server stuff are you talking about here where they go into pretty decent detail) to suggest the quality of other parts of the site is the same, is not accurate.

They used to update every review with new results, they don't anymore, they used to show the same spread of cards across various resolutions, they now pick and choose what to show where. IE the 5970 and 480gtx sli are shown for 2560x1600, something probably less than 1% of uses have(a 30" screen as frankly its horrible sitting with one close to you on a desk) and often leave out BOTH cards, AMD and Nvidia for a lower FAR more standard resolution.

THeir GPU bench is truly awful, in presentation, and choice of games, to listing what drivers and setup was used. Basically including ANY cpu limited games in a VERY narrow selection of games in a dedicated GPU comparison chart is quite frankly, woeful, again I'll just point out, this shows the 460gtx very close to 480gtx and 480gtx sli in some of the results, its just stupid and very amatuerish.

Anandtech are NOT the review site they once used to be, their inclusion of a last second uber overclocked card WITHOUT including 6870/50 overclocked results is something they'd never have done before, likewise, removing the Nvidia card for the next review is something they'd never have done before.

The conclusions are often directly opposing what individual results say and well, they just aren't anywhere near as good as they used to be.

The AMD review was INTERESTING, but not much more than an AMD interview, it wasn't hard hitting journalism, secrets that weren't known or impossible for anyone else to have done, their long standing reputation probably got them an interview. I'm not sure how a interview with an AMD engineer about how they built an AMD gpu is particularly pro AMD. Had they done the story on Nvidia it wouldn't have been particularly pro Nvidia, its more a history of a gpu, good or bad, the 2900XT has a history, as does the 5800 leafblower, talking about them doesn't make a interviewing anti AMD or Nvidia either, its just, what happened.

ANyway, mostly I vehemently oppose being called a shill, you're implying I'm being directly paid by AMD to talk rubbish, how their stock do has literally nothing to do with the 0.000001% of total AMD/Nvidia sales OCUK is responsible for, so I can't even fathom how I would benefit.

Not least because since the 470gtx has been great value its been the card I've recommended more than any other in the past 2-3 months, I guess thats money in my pocket though, right?

I also fail to see where I mentioned Anandtech were swayed by a free £200 card, because, I didn't suggest that. I simply suggested that in the past days when they did have more intergrity, and were simply a BETTER review site, not a less biased one, they wouldn't have last second included a desparate PR move by Nvidia, while failing to also update the same article with overclocked results. As for forcing to move AMD to make overclockable cards, the idea is rather laughable as overclocked models are (baring the woeful 450gts) never available right on release but in the weeks afterwards, especially as heavily overclocked 460gts's had been available for some months, and the newest fastest one was only an extra couple of percent ahead of the previous highest overclocked one.

For instance, why not from the outset did Anandtech include the best value/most overclocked card, it would have been a couple of percent slower, and quite a lot cheaper as well as available compared to the last second release expensive and not available model Nvidia begged them to include? It would have been positioned at the same point throughout the review, offered better value and actually shown a better price/performance than the small additional overclock for a pretty decent increase in price model they did use.

Anyway, the simple fact is 3 years ago they wouldn't have included a card at Nvidia's request, but would have included it in the overclocking review BY CHOICE without being nudged that way.
 
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I wonder what will be the price of new dual GTX595....
£550? £600? What was the initial price of 5970 when it came out? Or GTX295?
 
I have spoken to someone in the know from well known gfx disturbitor and seen some basic specs and benches.
This thing will be 50-100% quicker than 580gtx!
Can't disclose too much...because off nda. But this thing will be the best gfx!
Might cook some heaven benches too soon for y'all!

Pls note the sarcasm in my voice...:p

Merry crimbo!:D
 
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Skyrocket said:
I have spoken to someone in the know from well known gfx disturbitor and seen some basic specs and benches.
This thing will be 50-100% quicker than 580gtx!
Can't disclose too much...because off nda. But this thing will be the best gfx!
Might cook some heaven benches too soon for y'all!

Pls note the sarcasm in my voice...:p

Merry crimbo!:D
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Lol:D
 
Skyrocket said:
I have spoken to someone in the know from well known gfx disturbitor and seen some basic specs and benches.
This thing will be 50-100% quicker than 580gtx!
Can't disclose too much...because off nda. But this thing will be the best gfx!
Might cook some heaven benches too soon for y'all!

Pls note the sarcasm in my voice...:p

Merry crimbo!:D
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LOL
 
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