New F1 Superlicence points system

Wow. That explains the harsh scoring for GP2 and FR3.5, the FIA are actively and openly trying to make them fail! :eek:

Not happy with destroying their own series, they are now setting their sights on killing other peoples too!

*******!
 
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The FIA is the regulatory body for F1. They should be serving F1's needs as best they can. Instead they are leveraging F1's appeal to give their lower series an advantage over competition. And they are doing it in a way that is to F1's detriment as it's in F1 team's interests to find their talent from as wide a pool as possible.
 
Yep. It looks like they are attempting to use the F1 super license rules as a way to improve the potential success of their yet to appear new F2 series.

It will be interesting to see how people respond to this. Some big names own the rival series the FIA are targeting, including Bernie's own GP2 and GP3, and I can't imagine he will be backwards in coming forwards.
 
Setroc said:
The FIA is the regulatory body for F1. They should be serving F1's needs as best they can. Instead they are leveraging F1's appeal to give their lower series an advantage over competition. And they are doing it in a way that is to F1's detriment as it's in F1 team's interests to find their talent from as wide a pool as possible.
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No, the FIA are the regulatory body for international motorsport at all levels. If anything they have neglected the lower formulae in the past and should be taking steps to support motorsport at all levels, if this means taking some of the money, popularity and influence of F1 and spreading it further down the pyramid then great.
 
Do you think that killing GP2 and FR3.5 and replacing it with their 2nd attempt at a relaunched F2 after the first attempt fell flat on its face is the best way to do that?

Maybe the reason why the FIA run lower formulas struggle while their rivals succeed is because the FIA are not very good at running racing series? Just look at all the FIA series that have slumped or died recently, do we really want to give them another try?
 
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if this means taking some of the money, popularity and influence of F1 and spreading it further down the pyramid then great.
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But this isn't doing anything of the sort. All it's doing is dicking over all of the lower formulae that are not governed by the FIA. And in doing so it is reducing the talent pool that F1 is able to select from. The worst affected by this is Formula Renault 3.5, a great series on the rise that has produced some great talent, the biggest most recent example of which is Ricciardo who would not have qualified for his F1 debut under the current system. One of the best things about FR3.5 is that it is cheap to compete in compared to the likes of GP2 despite being quick and equally full of talent, therefore making it less money and pay-driver orientated.
 
Super Formula is ranked very low as well (half the points of Euro F3). Since relative field strengths are ignored, British F3 (with its whopping 5 full-time entries in 2014) is worth twice the points as Formula Renault Eurocup (30-40 cars per event).
 
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Yea can't really argue with Buxton there.
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Yes, you clearly can!

Taking a new system and applying it retrospectively is just lazy journalism and quite frankly short sighted.

Had a similar system been in place at the time, we would likely still have these guys in F1 if it was their goal to be there. Its like taking new points systems and applying them to old seasons... Yes, it can create an interesting talking point, but the races were the products of the circumstances of the day and system at the time, apply a different set of circumstances and new system and the whole exercise is null and void.

Butterfly effect, look it up - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

Its just too fashionable to bash the FIA, yes, they can make some bizarre decisions as far as we are concerned. However, we (as consumers) of the sport are not always fully aware of the whole landscape/bigger picture within the sport itself. Trying to solve a puzzle without all the bits is futile.

Ultimately they have to look after the interests of the FIA and it's affiliated series, as thats what a governing body must do.
 
But we have figured out what the bigger picture is. This new system is not designed to help F1, its been designed as a tool to improve the prospects of F2 while trying to destroy GP2 and/or FR3.5.

Its an abuse of the FIAs position.
 
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But we have figured out what the bigger picture is. This new system is not designed to help F1, its been designed as a tool to improve the prospects of F2 while trying to destroy GP2 and/or FR3.5.

Its an abuse of the FIAs position.
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Hang on, GP2 is owned by Delta Topco right? The same company that owns F1? So, can you explain that then?

Additionally, Renault Sport Technologies own FR3.5 and it's owner company (Renault) are also heavily invested in F1.

These series ultimately are comitted to supporting F1 and the FIA, and whatever is in it's best interests as a business, which means it has to work.

We don't have the full information.

It looks like to me that GP2/FR3.5 are going to be essentially brought under the "F" brand, and brought into line with F1. Again, I am speculating though. Seeing as until this new system was announced no one knew about the plans for F2, I suspect no-one else apart from deep within the FIA is fully aware of the these plans. So perhaps we should wait for them to explain?
 
I assume you have missed the statement from Gerhard Berger on F2 then?

And Delta Topco own the commercial rights to F1 and GP2/3 through owning FOM, which is not the same as being the governing body. The FIA regulate F1, but they do not regulate GP2/3.
 
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I assume you have missed the statement from Gerhard Berger on F2 then?
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The one from May 2014? If that's the one you are referring to, I think you missed my point completely.

Whilst GP2 and/or FR3.5 might cease to be, they will effectively be replaced by F2, so Renault might lose out on the name of the series, but I suspect they will also be affiliated with F2 in some way, engine supply perhaps (like in FR3.5). I also suspect that Delta Topco will be involved in the ownership of any F2 series.
 
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See my expansion. The FIA do not own the rights too, or regulate GP2/3 or FR3.5. If they wish to replace one or both with F2 which they do regulate, they need to force the other to die first.
 
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See my expansion. The FIA do not own the rights too, or regulate GP2/3 or FR3.5. If they wish to replace one or both with F2 which they do regulate, they need to force the other to die first.
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I am not understanding your position?

I never meant that the FIA owned or ran GP2/FR3.5. Only that 2 companies who are heavily invested in F1 run those series, and therefore will probably transition their roles over to the new F2 series.

These series ultimately are committed to supporting F1 and the FIA, and whatever is in it's best interests as a business, which means it has to work for them all.

The FIA will almost certainly have discussed this with the relevant partners, and worked out an agreement on a transition phase/plan. Its not "destroying" GP2/FR3.5 if the companies that run the series are agreeing to transition to a new series.

All this is speculation at this stage, but it seems sensible to me.
 
Rival series do not "collaborate", they are rivals! GP2, FR3.5 and F2 are 3 rival businesses trying to compete against each other. Its not a "transition", for GP2 or FR3.5 to become F2 it would mean the FIA would need to buy them out. Not only will they not sell (can you see Bernie giving up a slice of his pie!), but the FIA couldnt afford them if they wanted too, they are quite sseriously in the red. So instead they are hoping that by making F2 far more appealing for an aspiring F1 driver it will cause one or both of GP2 and FR3.5 to wither and die.

Global motorsport is not a big happy family of chums all looking out for each other, it is a competitive market of rival series all fighting against each other to serve their own agenda.

In the 2nd tier single seater market there are 2 big players, GP2 and FR3.5. The FIA want in but have found they can't beat them (the first F2 failed), and they can't buy them out, so they are instead using their monopoly of the top tier single seater market as a lure to entice 2nd tier drivers into their own 2nd tier series, while hoping it makes some or all of the competition fail.

The FIA are not looking out for the wellbeing of global motorsport, they are looking out for themselves and themselves only, with potentially negative knock ons to global motorsport.
 
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The FIA are not looking out for the wellbeing of global motorsport, they are looking out for themselves and themselves only, with potentially negative knock ons to global motorsport.
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I think I have been quite clear that the FIA are out to look after themselves, they are after all a business. This is not under dispute, and like any business they want to expand and become more successful. I have said this a number of times in this thread.

They will do all they can to do this, and if "destroying" GP2 and FR3.5 as you call it, is the best way to do so, then they will do so! Delta Topco will be involved in it somewhere, as will Renault (if FR3.5 takes a dive), to protect their positions in as you call it "Global motorsport".

Why are you suprised by this? Its a business decision, you said yourself, its not a big happy family. Its a group of businesses competing.

If you have the top product in a business you leverage your position to get into other markets.
 
But do we want the FIA running more motorsport?

Look at all the series that have grown or declined over the last decade, and then look at which are FIA run and which aren't.

We are not talking about the best guys for the job stepping heroically into a struggling market, we are talking about a bunch of clowns unable to write a set of regulations that isn't riddled with loopholes forcing their way into a market by abusing their position to kill off 2 much better run and well establish rival series.

It's like getting a promotion because your sleeping with the boss.
 
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