New fiber optic BT broadband £19.00 per month

NathanE · 22 Jan 2010 at 09:07

ghost101 said:
You can't be too far away from the exchange in such a town. Can you get ADSL2+ connections? Because I'd imagine that would be close to 20Mbps from most parts of Haverhill.

Yeah I'm on ADSL2+ at 16Mbps. Though a mate who lives near the Sainsburys on the outskirts of the town barely manages to get 4Mbit.

Flibbles · 22 Jan 2010 at 10:04

Is there a list of where they'll be rolling out this service in the near future?

Rofflay · 22 Jan 2010 at 10:24

Originally Posted by NathanE
Looks awesome. Shame it won't be coming to my crappy little town any time soon.

It has plus sides too mate you just gotta be patient.If you have adsl max(8mb) now then your gonna eventually get fibre and being in a small town means closer to the exchange too and fibre possibly?

i can only dream of what ill do with fibre if my dsl is anything to go by with 4db attenation down and 1db up, the good old bt exchange is 70m as the crow flies.

most of my town has lines that would be the same,only talk talk 24mb(dirt wouldnt touch it) right now but im told everywhere in n ireland will be done by 2011 for 40mb.for once we will have more fibre deployment that most of europe :O

about bloody time but bt need to get thier ass in gear as even 21cn is congested to crap right now, they have to go and replace most of the bandwidth in some places by x10 speed, i think its all 1gb links now? AAisp blog is great for all that info.ping also have sucked on it i hear, again fibre wont mean crap to me if it has bad routing and worse latency over the old network, you would think with 21cn being new they would take into account latency and try to reduce it over the old one.some routing is just plain retarded and takes you 200 miles north when you should really be going south ><

also bt are so dumb, why did no bright spark simply use the new type fibre and is made to go through existing sewers? rat proof and all ! no digging just feeding cables into premises for easily 100mb and probably 1000mb in the future, nope not bt they go fibre except for the last few yards? doesnt make sense to me its like running a marathon and stopping at the finnish line and not crossing it ><

ps whats the download time for say 10gb on 35mb?

Caged · 22 Jan 2010 at 12:45

BT are keeping the copper links to the premises as they can send power down it, and therefore your landline keeps working in a power cut. If they went fibre all the way then they would need a fairly large FIOS-style demarc, which people would no doubt complain about.

NathanE · 22 Jan 2010 at 13:22

Rofflay said:
It has plus sides too mate you just gotta be patient.If you have adsl max(8mb) now then your gonna eventually get fibre and being in a small town means closer to the exchange too and fibre possibly?

i can only dream of what ill do with fibre if my dsl is anything to go by with 4db attenation down and 1db up, the good old bt exchange is 70m as the crow flies.

most of my town has lines that would be the same,only talk talk 24mb(dirt wouldnt touch it) right now but im told everywhere in n ireland will be done by 2011 for 40mb.for once we will have more fibre deployment that most of europe :O

about bloody time but bt need to get thier ass in gear as even 21cn is congested to crap right now, they have to go and replace most of the bandwidth in some places by x10 speed, i think its all 1gb links now? AAisp blog is great for all that info.ping also have sucked on it i hear, again fibre wont mean crap to me if it has bad routing and worse latency over the old network, you would think with 21cn being new they would take into account latency and try to reduce it over the old one.some routing is just plain retarded and takes you 200 miles north when you should really be going south ><

also bt are so dumb, why did no bright spark simply use the new type fibre and is made to go through existing sewers? rat proof and all ! no digging just feeding cables into premises for easily 100mb and probably 1000mb in the future, nope not bt they go fibre except for the last few yards? doesnt make sense to me its like running a marathon and stopping at the finnish line and not crossing it ><

ps whats the download time for say 10gb on 35mb?

FTTC will all be about how close you are to the green cabinet.

Most houses are within 500 meters or so. VDSL2 works basically flat-out (100Mbit/s is possible) sub 100 meters. Then it starts tailing off.

Luckily for me, the green cabinet is literally within stone throwing distance

hyper_piper45 · 22 Jan 2010 at 13:27

Flibbles said:
Is there a list of where they'll be rolling out this service in the near future?

Yeah it would be nice to see where is getting this service, and the schedule for the rollout.

kkbigal · 22 Jan 2010 at 14:03

hyper_piper45 said:
Yeah it would be nice to see where is getting this service, and the schedule for the rollout.

http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/products/nga/downloads/FTTC_ pot_exchs.pdf

Obviously I can't verify how accurate this information is, but it might provide at least a basic idea.

Plus, even though the exchange may have the necessary equipment to deliver VDSL over fibre, they still have to get it to a green road-side cabinet near you as well

Nick1881 · 22 Jan 2010 at 15:34

Rofflay - BT are currently increasing their SVLAN's, this is the service that carries broadband to many homes, some of these are getting big increases, up from 24mb to 40mb, other have been increased to 100mb, this is currently the most we can offer them.

I'm not sure how many customers are fed by these services.

hyper_piper45 · 22 Jan 2010 at 15:47

kkbigal said:
http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/products/nga/downloads/FTTC_ pot_exchs.pdf

Obviously I can't verify how accurate this information is, but it might provide at least a basic idea.

Quite a few Manchester exchanges on there but not mine!

Rroff · 22 Jan 2010 at 15:59

All the cabinets around here are well within 60m yay... tho BT have no plans for FTTC

I'd be quite happy tho personally with 20MBit down, 2MBit up let alone anything faster atm (getting half that up/down atm).

Fourstar · 22 Jan 2010 at 16:47

El Reg said:
Hopes that BT's new faster broadband technology might improve peer-to-peer downloads have faded with the firm's confirmation that subscribers will be subject to the same restricitions as those on less expensive tariffs.
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BT has now also conceded that its traffic management equipment will restrict the bandwidth available to peer-to-peer protocols on both Infinity packages, as on its existing ADSL services.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/22/bt_infinity_p2p/

I wonder if this means BT is not upgrading the connection between exchange and core network when they install FTTC.

Do LLU providers have their own fibre running into exchanges they have a presence in?

Yamahahahahaha · 22 Jan 2010 at 17:25

dave-lew99 said:
This means VHDSL from the cabinet to the premises. Under ideal conditions that's 100mbit duplex - max 300 metres. That degrades severely as distance increases. So 40mbit is pretty reasonable really.

As for capping uploads, bandwidth is expensive, can you imagine if all ISPs suddenly had to backhaul the same amount of data in uploads that they currently do in downloads?!

So we're still using crap copper pairs? Digital Britain my arse. VHDSL? Welcome to 2001!!!

Bandwidth is only expensive in the UK, it's about 5x cheaper in the US last time I checked...
I imagine what would happen is... The ISPs just start charging for the amount of bandwidth consumed + a profit margin! Rather than milking all the low-usage users and booting the users that don't fit into their profit models.

tolien · 22 Jan 2010 at 17:36

Fourstar said:
I wonder if this means BT is not upgrading the connection between exchange and core network when they install FTTC.

That was part of the point of 21CN. Obviously they'll have to increase the capacity, but the idea is that it's handed over at the exchange to whichever LLUer is taking the data. There's a PDF on the Openreach website - the LLUesque product is Generic Ethernet Access.

Do LLU providers have their own fibre running into exchanges they have a presence in?

They have dedicated backhaul of some sort, whether rented from someone or run on their own.

pallys · 22 Jan 2010 at 20:53

BT/ADSL Tech = rubbish.

With that download cap across all tariffs you will have breached your monthly limit in 1 hour!

It's not even ready yet, yet its already behind what Virgin can offer.

Virgin meanwhile are trialling 200mb. Easy for them because its fibre optics all the way.

bigredshark · 22 Jan 2010 at 20:55

pallys said:
Virgin meanwhile are trialling 200mb. Easy for them because its fibre optics all the way.

NO IT'S NOT!

It's fibre optics as far as the street cabinet and coax from there, almost exactly identical to BTs 40Mbit product only they use VDSL instead of coax.

And the mind numbingly annoying belief people have that it's fibre all the way is why virgin's stupid 'fibre broadband' ads should have been banned!

pallys · 22 Jan 2010 at 20:58

bigredshark said:
NO IT'S NOT!

It's fibre optics as far as the street cabinet and coax from there, almost exactly identical to BTs 40Mbit product only they use VDSL instead of coax.

And the mind numbingly annoying belief people have that it's fibre all the way is why virgin's stupid 'fibre broadband' ads should have been banned!

Its Digital Coaxial which is the same as Digital optical.

bigredshark · 22 Jan 2010 at 20:58

Yamahahahahaha said:
Does it make anyone else laugh that they're still restricting upload bandwidth?
They have a piece of fibre there which should do 1Gbit duplex, yet for no apparent reason they're capping it at 40/10. How lovely of them!
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Do you know how much bandwidth costs? From a cheap rubbish provider like cogent it costs £1 per mbit per month. So if you want unlimited 1Gbit you're going to need to cough up a £1000 a month to cover that bill, plus the cost of their network, plus some profit - how do you fancy it?

bigredshark · 22 Jan 2010 at 21:01

pallys said:
Its Coaxial which is the same as optical.

No it's not the same. It's coax, which is ancient stuff, used to build transatlantic phone cables in 1930 or so. As used in LANs until 1995 or so when everybody realised it was useless. It's made of metal, which is by the laws of physics of limited use for high bandwidth applications over distances more than about 100m. It's in no way similar to extruded glass fibres and lasers in principle or reality.

pallys · 22 Jan 2010 at 21:08

bigredshark said:
How dumb are you? No it's not the same. It's coax, which is ancient stuff, used to build transatlantic phone cables in 1930 or so. As used in LANs until 1995 or so when everybody realised it was useless. It's made of metal, which is by the laws of physics of limited use for high bandwidth applications over distances more than about 100m. It's in no way similar to extruded glass fibres and lasers in principle or reality.

Sure what I know they are, optical using light to transmit data etc.
For common joe there is no difference in Coax or Optical because for this purpose they are as good as each other. Rolling out Optical to houses from the cabinets is a complete waste of money because it would have achieved the same result as Coax.

Audio Hi/Fi etc too use either Coax or Optical for Digital Sound because for the platform its good as each other.

Coax/Optical a lot better than copper wire.

NathanE · 22 Jan 2010 at 21:12

"Digital coax" huh? Does "digital cable" exist? End of the day you're sending a analog sinewave over it and then looking for 0s and 1s, across a large number frequencies (in the case of broadband) concurrently.

ADSL is fine. It's no more or less hacky than DOCSIS (cable) is. In fact, it's probably less so. Because ADSL is point-to-point, whereas DOCSIS is, loosely, a broadcast medium in the same way a orbital satellite is.