New file sharing laws

How on earth do you determine if someone is using the internet for a legitimate purpose or not? I have a suspicion that the politicians suggesting this policy have no idea how to implement it.

They intend to put the onus on ISPs, who are understandably pretty peeved at that prospect, even BT is against it:eek:
 
The really insane thing is that if they do curb online copyright infringement, it will empower the real pirates, the criminals with bulk copy devices that stock the markets, car boot sales and send illegal immigrants round pubs to push thier wares (insert comments about people trafficking, slavery and terrorism).
 
Admin errors will be subject to an appeals process. All the other aspects (hackers, family members etc) are all the personal responsibility of the individual running the internet connection, either to secure it or manage the traffic through it.

So if someone hacks your wifi which is basically secured with the stuff it comes with it's your own fault?

So if your house gets robbed because you only have a basic Yale cylinder lock on your front door, or these huge great holes in the side of your house filled with fragile glass it should be your own fault and the police/insurance company tell you to sod off?
 
Really though, there will always be around this. Surely it is hard for your ISP to detect if your using direct downloads? Or even FTP servers?

So what if Torrents die, something better will come of it.
 
Really though, there will always be around this. Surely it is hard for your ISP to detect if your using direct downloads? Or even FTP servers?

So what if Torrents die, something better will come of it.

Hugs newsgroup and ssl.
 
Also does this apply to anyone who watches a youtube vid with an unauthorised sound track on it?

That did not occur to be, but good point, I cant possibly see how that wouldnt apply... even if it was an innocent youtube vid where someone had the radio on in the background whilst filming.
 
hehehe, watch this space for:
'ventrilo user faces internet ban for sharing copright material for having a CD on in the background whilst chatting on EVE'
 
hehehe, watch this space for:
'ventrilo user faces internet ban for sharing copright material for having a CD on in the background whilst chatting on EVE'


They've sued people for using radios before...




http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7029892.stm

At a procedural hearing at the Court of Session in Edinburgh a judge refused to dismiss the £200,000 damages claim.

The PRS claimed that Kwik-Fit mechanics routinely use personal radios while working at service centres across the UK and that music, protected by copyright, could be heard by colleagues and customers.
 
^^ hahaha.. what the hell.. they are just looking for more ways to "rip" people of in UK.. i don't believe ISP's agree with these "new" laws, they will be loosing customers..
 
Given that those doing illegal file sharing are taking rights from others, I don't see how the prevention of that is authoritarian, protection of rights is one of the few roles governments should be doing directly.

The ISPs are there to serve their customers, not the media content companies.
If a media company feels that copyright infringement is occurring then they should pursue the case though a civil court.

Oh, and I believe the EU has found this 3 strike stuff to be illegal.
 
I don't see why ISP should be forced to protect the film and music industries broken and out of date business models at their own cost.
 
Ok, so you've got your fringe weird examples of people getting in trouble for singing. You've argued about a minority of cases in which someone's wifi gets hacked. Great. Still not convinced you've done anything to prove internet access is a basic human right or that file sharing isn't wrong.
 
I don't see why ISP should be forced to protect the film and music industries broken and out of date business models at their own cost.

I don't see why an outdated business model justifies lawbreaking. Amazon offer mp3s with no drm. How is that not an adequate response to your criticism of the business model? And no, I don't care that you think it's von expensive. Music is a luxury. If you don't like the price, then you buy less of it.
 
Still not convinced you've done anything to prove internet access is a basic human right or that file sharing isn't wrong.

Having something taken away from you for reasons that have not been properly scrutinised or proven in law is a breach of human rights.

File sharing is wrong? in that case, we are all screwed every time we send an email or even a letter through the post for that matter:confused:
 
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