New generation of 23"-24" WS LCD monitors available now!
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igors, i know what you mean about reviewing the reviews. I am certainly not argueing that the NEC is a bad screen in any way, in fact i do realise from reading all the positive user responses that it is excellent, and this is backed up by the reivews at places like BeHardware (you may have seen that overdrive turn off at hardware.fr btw). However, i am only trying to pick the holes in what is really a very good display, as these have been picked elsewhere and only for the sake of providing a complete and varied analysis of the screen.
The only possible drawbacks really compared with P-MVA based models are those we've been disucssing, but as you have said, they may not be an issues to many users. It's kind of like comparing a 12ms vs 8ms TN Film screen really. We talk about the differences between the two generations, but in reality they are very very small, most average users would notice little if any difference at all! Same thing here on the most part. Blacks are no doubt very good on the NEC and DFC does an excellent job. Whether they are noticably different to those on a VA based panel is hard to tell, some people say they are, some don't. Movie playback seems to be widely recognised as being a little overly noisy on the NEC, and in some conditions not helped by the OptiClear coating. However, as you have said, not an issue from a sensible watching distance really, and all down to taste.....just worth noting i feel as some have disliked this aspect of the screen. Again, just to provide a full picture, not everyone feels the same way about the screen certainly.
anyway, we've beaten it to death i think
hope out discussions have helped add a little to the thread and shown some views from both sides of the P-MVA vs AS-IPS debate which seems a hot topic right now 
thanks igors for the thread and input, it's been interesting and constructive i think
The only possible drawbacks really compared with P-MVA based models are those we've been disucssing, but as you have said, they may not be an issues to many users. It's kind of like comparing a 12ms vs 8ms TN Film screen really. We talk about the differences between the two generations, but in reality they are very very small, most average users would notice little if any difference at all! Same thing here on the most part. Blacks are no doubt very good on the NEC and DFC does an excellent job. Whether they are noticably different to those on a VA based panel is hard to tell, some people say they are, some don't. Movie playback seems to be widely recognised as being a little overly noisy on the NEC, and in some conditions not helped by the OptiClear coating. However, as you have said, not an issue from a sensible watching distance really, and all down to taste.....just worth noting i feel as some have disliked this aspect of the screen. Again, just to provide a full picture, not everyone feels the same way about the screen certainly.
anyway, we've beaten it to death i think
hope out discussions have helped add a little to the thread and shown some views from both sides of the P-MVA vs AS-IPS debate which seems a hot topic right now thanks igors for the thread and input, it's been interesting and constructive i think
No worries, I know exactly what are you trying to say here and actually I'm not quite sure why are you getting the impression that you are "argueing" . You and I and everybody knows that reviews interpetations are sometimes challenging for the end-user. I've read massive numbers of reviews in my life and when you look back you are really starting to notice the "predictable" pattern in them. Reasons can vary, of course, and they can be directly influenced by financial, sponsorship, writer ego, lack of knowledge, not enough passion for the technology shifts and such matters. On the other hand, user opinions are very important because we are dealing here with impressions and situations from the real life. We may have problems on the user front, no doubt, but usually everything about the particular technology "object" is exposed to the great extent.Baddass said:
You will be maybe surprised to hear, but times are changing, users are more and more aware of the technology around, more educated, they are picky and they usually do spot things in the right way, no doubt. That's always a good thing. Of course, credit have to go to the Internet itself and the forum communities.Baddass said:
Well yes, we may have some "universal" and "acceptable" standard for the screen quality and maybe my intro from the review itself is the most appropriate response for this oneBaddass said:
Hmmm ... maybe, just maybe, few more slapping here and thereBaddass said:anyway, we've beaten it to death i think
Well ... that's what the forums are for, isn't it
ps ... yes, that overdrive off is I think from hardware.fr
pss ... unless I'm starting to imagine things, think that there was post from you yesterday to icemansin where you "revealed" my identitiy. I was about to thank you for the kind words, but post it's not here anymore
it was there, but then i thought i was jumping in on an answer you might like to give so i stealth edited it out Didn't want to tread on your toes there when the question was aimed at you thats all....
For icemansin though, igors kindly submitted the review to TFT Central when he received the screen and I was very grateful for this. We had long discussions about the screen and about the format of the review and igors has done a fantastic job of putting together a very very in depth analysis of the screen. The review was an exclusive and one of the first on the net for this screen, I'm glad that you found it usefel as im sure many people have. Thanks again to igor for his participation with that
Didn't want to tread on your toes there when the question was aimed at you thats all....For icemansin though, igors kindly submitted the review to TFT Central when he received the screen and I was very grateful for this. We had long discussions about the screen and about the format of the review and igors has done a fantastic job of putting together a very very in depth analysis of the screen. The review was an exclusive and one of the first on the net for this screen, I'm glad that you found it usefel as im sure many people have. Thanks again to igor for his participation with that
I must have missed it.Baddass said:For icemansin though, igors kindly submitted the review to TFT Central when he received the screen and I was very grateful for this. We had long discussions about the screen and about the format of the review and igors has done a fantastic job of putting together a very very in depth analysis of the screen. The review was an exclusive and one of the first on the net for this screen, I'm glad that you found it usefel as im sure many people have. Thanks again to igor for his participation with that
Yes i found very useful, it was well written and easy to understand. Is Igor like just a display enthusiast? Or a professional reviewer?
Do you write reviews for that site? (I really havent read any other reviews apart from that one)
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to answer above post as well, I had mentioned it, but like Igors said it disappeared! my bad!
I'll leave igors to fill you in on his background but from my part, yes, I run TFT Central!
Takes a lot of work to keep it up to date and add new stuff, and I'm glad you've found it useful icemansin said:
You see, I'm display enthusiast but wasn't aware that I'm also professional reviewer. Seriously, writing reviews is not my profession. I'm doing that just for fun and purely to contribute some refreshing, interesting and honestly written content to the community.
I've spent many years in trading, researching and consulting in the computer hardware industry. Couple of years ago, I switched to IT and have steady job here ... but of course technology passion is still there.
Well, that's my micro CV lol.well well well
1st 23" AS-IPS appears.
http://translate.google.com/transla...age=1&prev=/search?q=abito+LCD&hl=en&lr=&sa=G
http://66.249.93.104/translate_c?hl...=1269&prev=/search?q=abito+LCD&hl=en&lr=&sa=G
Internal pic of new Apple 23"
http://www.appleforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19644
1st 23" AS-IPS appears.
http://translate.google.com/transla...age=1&prev=/search?q=abito+LCD&hl=en&lr=&sa=G
http://66.249.93.104/translate_c?hl...=1269&prev=/search?q=abito+LCD&hl=en&lr=&sa=G
Internal pic of new Apple 23"
http://www.appleforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19644
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Never heard of "Abito" brandkleox64 said:
Does it mean that Apple will surprise us with the 23" AS-IPS ? It's either that or HP will refresh their 23" range (which I doubt). NEC is rather unclear about the 23"-24" range. Couple of weeks ago, I received the following response from Christopher Parker, NEC GX2 Product Manager, about the larger screen versions (many users asked the same question):kleox64 said:
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no concrete plans. A 24inch would be the next logical step..... Mmmm, we're thinking about GX3 for next year, 2007, and a 24W would be nice. But it would need to be discussed first and the US have to agree. So currently, no plans.....
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... and after that from NEC Display Solutions UK:
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but we are releasing a 24" Wide later this year on the Corporate range so I think there is a chance this could be a possibility for the GX range - I will keep you posted if I hear any further updates !
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I'm particularly keen to see more info about the GX3 range, for the 2007
Anyhow, and not sure about other manufactures. As I mentioned, personally I think that 23" 0.258pp is the definitely the sweet spot. Yes, you are paying the price for 24", but much better screen quality and I guess that 1" less would not make the huge difference.
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Cosidering the expence of the screen its more like Apple will use it 1st since people will pay for them anyway. Iam guesiing Apple will update thier screens before WDC or on WDC if there completly new designs. They may complement the new Mac Intel "G5".
Quite possibly. Only thing I'm worried about are the Apple prices. Will see.kleox64 said:
On the second look, somehow I like the "outfit" of that Abito, from the above. Very clean lines and that bezel is so, let's say, subtle. However, that base is not convincing
I already posted this in the NEC review thread, sorry for the double post, but it may find home here also as we discussing the new LCD panels and kleox64 already touched the AS-IPS subject
I'm seriously tempted to have my next LCD TV, based on the enhanced S-IPS technology, to complement the NEC LCD monitor Essentially, LG.Philips is using the same NEC AS-IPS panel technology for the next generation of the HD-LCD TV panels. Take a look, it's a interesting read:
http://www.cleverdis.com/pdf_files/spr_lpl_05.pdf
Apart from the fact that document is mostly addressing the LCD TV aspects, you may find many interesting details about the development and essential advantages of the IPS panel technology.
I'm seriously tempted to have my next LCD TV, based on the enhanced S-IPS technology, to complement the NEC LCD monitor Essentially, LG.Philips is using the same NEC AS-IPS panel technology for the next generation of the HD-LCD TV panels. Take a look, it's a interesting read:
http://www.cleverdis.com/pdf_files/spr_lpl_05.pdf
Apart from the fact that document is mostly addressing the LCD TV aspects, you may find many interesting details about the development and essential advantages of the IPS panel technology.
Thx for this. Maybe my wording was confusing to some of youkleox64 said:
but what I tried to say is that essentially new generation of the LCD TVs will be avaliable, based on the new Extended S-IPS LG.Philips panel modules for TV and sharing the same technology grounds as AS-IPS. People who are already using the NEC AS-IPS screens (and this is the only monitor avaliable with the AS-IPS panel manufactued by LG.Philips) would probably know what to expect Another interesting note, one forum user sent e-mail to NEC, if they can confirm if the NEC 20WGX2 US version is using the same AS-IPS panel as the UK one (as they did). Here is the response from NEC:Statement is that NEC is using the proprietary AS-IPS panel, specially made (custom built) by LG.Philips for NEC, and unavailable to any other monitor manufacturer ?! ... I wonder how this will reflect on the other models and when (if at all) we will see other manufactures or even larger monitors with the same panel technology.
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I disagree the NEC panel is basicaly the 20" WS LG Philips LM201W01 6ms (g2g) LCD with the DVM option.
The 23" module is available in the following 300/400/500mcd brightness with/without DVM, ok you can say its custom built but only to options provided by LG Philips. In the 20" case the only options available are brightness levels and DVM.
Take the new Philips 23" LCD for example its a 300mcd, 700:1, 6ms(g2g) 12ms(btw), note it doesnt have DVM. Its basicaly a toned down version of the LM230WU3 LCD module (500mcd, 1600:1, 6ms(g2g)).
The 23" module is available in the following 300/400/500mcd brightness with/without DVM, ok you can say its custom built but only to options provided by LG Philips. In the 20" case the only options available are brightness levels and DVM.
Take the new Philips 23" LCD for example its a 300mcd, 700:1, 6ms(g2g) 12ms(btw), note it doesnt have DVM. Its basicaly a toned down version of the LM230WU3 LCD module (500mcd, 1600:1, 6ms(g2g)).
Interesting article about the NEC developments for this spring:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=2821
Something that particularly draw my attention:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=2821
Something that particularly draw my attention:
We don't see the 26" screens every day and this is quite interesting development, when we consider the screen size. According to the early spec, it will use probably the same panel as 20WGX2, but without the 1600:1 DVM (maybe they will include this also). Will see ...
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sounds interesting. LG.Philips don't have any 26" panels listed at all, and this is not a common diagonal to produce. Hopefully they manage to scale up the performance from the 20"WS model, but the jump up in pixel resolution might cause some issues, we will see