new job offer advice....

xirokx

xirokx

xirokx

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Hi,

Ive been offered a job, a career changing job working for a firm in london's westend as an I.T. Technican...

They acknowledge I dont have much experience and are willing to teach me from the ground up however I have 2 mains concerns:

a) courses, I discussed the possibilites of doing courses at my interview and they agreed, but its not written on the formal contract..So I am paranoid as I have been messed around like this before - I am thinking of emailing requesting they clarify things on courses like who funds them and when they take place etc...

b) the change in lifestyle, currently I am happy in life with my gf, recently moved into a lovely flat, job I do now is not exactly great but its very good money and its very laid back - having said that though I do get very bored at times and despite requesting extra duties I never get any because there are none...I am concerned if I take this job other then my point A above, the effect it could have on my relationship i.e. working late , not seeing my partner a lot , always kind of stressed due to work etc...

Do you think I should email them re: point A?

And re point b what are your thoughts?

Thanks in advance...
 
to be honest mate, i would like to be in a your current job earning good money and having a laid back day. It is healthier in the long run! plus you are happy with your girlf and the added stress could be bad. It doesnt sound like your time to move on to be honest. Then again, i dont even know ya!

I would ask about point A as its well within your rights to do so - hell, i wouldnt sign a contract without knowing all the answers before i did. Its totally resonable to ask for clarification.

Do you live near london or wiill there be lots of commuting involved if you do accept this job?
 
From what you have posted i would say stay in your current job and enroll for an I.T evening course yourself. Untrained IT jobs seem to be low pay (well the ones ive seen)
 
thanks for your response guys...

see this is what I was telling my partner...Although the "new job" pays more £1,000 more a year compared to what I am on at the moment it suits my lifestyle...

I live in london so the commute would take around 40 mins by tube each morning...

Although I do like the idea of having this career in central london with the possibility of learning a lot at my age (26 years old) theres the fact that I am in a happy relationship (after being messed around previously) , I have a lovely little place which we moved into 2 weeks ago, and a good thing is after a day here in my current job I still have the rest of the day for example, It takes me 15 - 20 mins to go home, me and the other half go play tennis, go shopping, spend time together...Which I am worried / scared may be affected by this new career opportunity...

I am just mesmerised by the opportunity as I am OK at I.T. but not that good and in the future I could possibly earn a lot of money i.e. 35,000 - 40,000 per year after completeing a M.C.S.E (im guessing btw I dont know if thats 100% true) ....Its just great a massive company is giving me this life changing opportunity but to me my partner, my state of mind, my health, my happiness with my partner is kind of more important...

Soo confused...I have to give my notice in by the end of today if I do wish to take the new companies offer...

My heart says Nooo My head says Yess - look at the opportunity and all that ...but to me my partner is much more important...

Just don't know for sure...
 
Sounds like you just got yourself into a great lifestyle there. I would say now is not the time to change it
 
Money isn't everything mate. Sounds like you've got a nice relationship and a life-style you enjoy. Will the extra income drastically improve it? Is it worth the potential risk to your current life style? Don't get me wrong, more money makes life easier but you've got to make sacrifices for that, you just need to decide if it's worth it.
 
more money makes life easier but you've got to make sacrifices for that, you just need to decide if it's worth it.
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thats a sound bit of advice mate....really appreciate that....

The answer is an extra grand a year at the moment will not really change my life....As you say I wedged myself into a cushy position which I appreciate....

Everytime I think about I end up with hearing the following words:-

"if its not broken dont fix it"...

Im just concerned depending on what they say about financial funding whether I would be losing out on the prospect of earning a lot of money what with the possibilty of doing a M.C.S.E and that....At the moment sure I am settled but I also have to keep one eye on the future and I cant help thinking some sacrifices now "all depending on if they do finance my courses" will lead to more benefit later down the line...what do you reckon?
 
xirokx said:
I do get very bored at times and despite requesting extra duties I never get any because there are none...
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Sorry to sound pessimistic, but isn’t that a bit of a worrying sign. If there was nothing to at my place of work, I would be worried about redundancy.
 
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I just received a response from the company after emailing them requesting them to clarify about courses...here is their response:

All training will be given in house during your probationary period of six months. Following successful completion of your probationary term any further training that may be required would be arranged accordingly by "company name"
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do you think they just want cheap labour? i.e. train a skivy on the cheap to save loads of money by not having to do it properly and then thats it....hmmmm
 
UPDATE:

after asking my possible future manager regarding funding for courses and the courses he would like to send me on he hasnt really answered the question...as expected......I even went as far as putting him in a corner and specifically asking if in his opinion doing an M.C.S.E would be something he would like me to do and he just never responded...Instead he sent me a PDF version of course funding handed to him by HR....

This firm I feel are being really sneaky and not answering my questions as I appreciate they do not wish to get themselves into something they later regret...

The advantages this change of career gives me is:

a) new job so learning loads of I.T. stuff

Disadvantages:
a) not much of a pay rise after travel expenses deducted
b) hours I will have to work
c) I feel I will be like a puppet on a string
d) lack of time I will be able to spend with my gf
e) lack of "my time"

So as sad as it makes me to turn down this opportunity I feel its best because as per the above points there are not many advantages compared to disadvantages..

What do you guys think? Please help im sooo confused
 
the +ve/-ve's that you have posted are all short term. how does the job fit for you long term?

in 2 / 3 years, will the internal training and any courses make you more valuable to the company, will they pay you accordingly or will you be recognised more on the open market?

sometimes a short term loss can mean a long term gain.
 
in 2 / 3 years, will the internal training and any courses make you more valuable to the company, will they pay you accordingly or will you be recognised more on the open market?
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I will be more value to the company but without any form of qualification I will not be recognised on the open market, which to me sounds like a trap ....at every appraisal I can hearing them say "you dont have the qualification" and for what we require from you "you dont really need it here"

well thats just it, as per my first post when I emailed them asking about courses and funding etc, they hesitated to reply and eventually did in a roundabout "cover my backside" way...

Long term it will only mean something if I gain a qualification in my eyes anyway, the difference in me gaining that qualification could be the difference to thousands later on down the line. But they just will not specify enough about courses they are being really sketchy and cagey about it. I realise and understand they do not want me knocking on their door every 5 mins and Im not the type of person that would thats why Im asking now but they are not commiting to anything. Which makes me wonder whether its really worth risking what I have now especially for something they just are not willing to elaborate further on....

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
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Can you current employer offer you any training/progression. Is there scope for any promotions with your current employer? Are you wanting to progress within IT anytime in the future?

These questions need to be answered and subsequently added to your advantages and disadvantages list.
 
No my current employer cannot offer any form of training whatsoever, its a total no no....

There is absolutely no scope for future promotion here, I am looking to leave here...

The "new job" as such is a total career change which came about by sheer chance courtesy of a previous work colleague....but is slowly beginning to feel and appear as a trap to me...Basically they get someone in, paint a lovely picture at the interview, do not want to put any of the promises in the contract, and do not like answering direct questions...

I would like to go into I.T. it would be a total career change compared to what I am doing now, however I am fairly qualified in the "purchasing and supply" industry in which I work now but at this company there is no scope for doing anything....I only took it because I needed a job A.S.A.P infact my current position is a lot lower down the hierarchy compared to all my previous roles...

But this new job I initally believed would be a great career change with the opporunity to learn more and gain a qualification therefore making me more marketable and enabling me not be trapped however I am very dissappointed at the way they are behaving because they do not wish to back up on my contract things which were discussed in my interview :(
 
Changing jobs always has a degree of risk associated with it. You do not sound confident that this new company will fulfill your ambitions. A new start role in IT could get very dull, very quickly. Unless you want to be doing first line support for a long time, you need to make sure they are going to invest in you. On the other hand, if you want to change careers, its could be a ifrst step if nothing else.
 
xirokx said:
job I do now is not exactly great but its very good money and its very laid back
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Sounds perfect to me :o

Depends if your a live to work or a work to live kind of person. I'm the latter and would gladly do a menial, no hassle job if it paid enough.
 
Would the extra £1000 warrant the extra pressure and stress that it comes with, plus the commute time and the time taken away that you spent with your GF. Do you hope for a career with the new job?

Personally if the current job has good career prospects and it is giving you the life you enjoy without stress then for the sake of £1000 i wouldn't move. You can't buy time with your GF.
 
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