New kit needed... advice please :)

D.P. said:
More or less, but the D300 has slightly better Autofocus, the body is a little more pro and is built stronger. The D7000 is not far behind and the sensor is much better.
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Shocked about the AF, would have thought that the D7000's AF would have been at least as good considering how much newer it is.
 
Alpherah said:
Shocked about the AF, would have thought that the D7000's AF would have been at least as good considering how much newer it is.
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Afraid the pro camera industry dont work like unfortunately. All the DSLRs are tiered to justified the price difference. Take the 5D2 for example and compare it to a an older 1D, the 1D will outperform it everytime when it comes to AF.
 
It's all about target markets. If the AF of the D7000 was as good/better than the D300, fewer people would be buying pro-bodies.

If the 5D had the same AF system as the 1Ds, less people would buy the 1Ds. It's all business.
 
2Thumbs said:
It's all about target markets. If the AF of the D7000 was as good/better than the D300, fewer people would be buying pro-bodies.

If the 5D had the same AF system as the 1Ds, less people would buy the 1Ds. It's all business.
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Not really, the Nikon D700 has the same everything more or less as the D3 - the same autofocus, sensor, metering, etc.

The D7000 and D300 are different cameras for different segments, it just so happens the D7000 is much newer than the D300 so has technological improvements, especially with regards to the sensor.
 
oO Stevie Oo said:
ok confused again now lol
I never considered a D7k, would that suit my needs better than a D700? lol
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It may very well do. The D700 will offer better low noise performance, the autofocus will be better, the buil quality is better etc. However, on full frame you will have to invest in bigger lenses to get the reach you need.

The D7K should still offer suffiently good Autofocus but you may want to verify this first with a rental. The advantages of the D7k is the sensor provides a a great 16MP image and due to the crop factor you will find lenses like the 70-200VR more useful and cheaper than getting the equivalent focal lengths on full frame. So overall tbhis will save a lot of money.

The D300 is inbetween, it will offer the autofocus performance and build quality of the D700 with the advntages of a crop sensor. The only drawback is the sensor is not quite as good as the D7k or D700 for that matter.
 
The Tier system works on the Canon system IMO, or at least better than Nikon's randomly numbered products. That's how I feel anyway.
 
I'd say they're both fairly convoluted if you're not experienced in either brand. Pretty sure Nikon's numbering system is similar to Canon's. D**** consumer, D*** Prosumer, D* Pro. We wont go in to D** lol.

I was generally browsing an email advertising the 600D and my dad walked in surprised that there's been so many new models since my 40D was released. It took me a few minutes to explain that they're two different grades of bodies.

I've always been a believer of sensor quality > technology. You can work around relative archaic technology, but a poor sensor is pretty much worthless. That's why the 5D classic is still highly regarded 6 years after release.
 
2Thumbs said:
I've always been a believer of sensor quality > technology. You can work around relative archaic technology, but a poor sensor is pretty much worthless. That's why the 5D classic is still highly regarded 6 years after release.
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True to a degree but can also work the other way round, a perfect sensor without a working AF system is useless. Technologies needs to compliment each other in order for the camera to function in it's field it was designed for.

I've been using my 5D2 for over 2 years now and over time I've learnt its bad points through experience not reading other people's opinions on the internet. It was never intended to be a sports camera and thus will never function on par with say the 1D or the 7D when it comes to capturing actions. I've tried but the hit rate was way below 20% which isnt good enough for me as sometime once you missed the action you cannot recreate it. Since getting the 1D4, my keeper rate has increased significantly whist using the same lens and technique for panning.

My point is that yes the sensor plays a big part but for the OP's needs, the AF system and burst rate needs to be up to scratch else he'll just end up with a lot of low noise blurry shots :)
 
mcc49 said:
True to a degree but can also work the other way round, a perfect sensor without a working AF system is useless.
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That depends IME, I often manually tweek the focus as I shoot landscapes, architecture, portraits, stills etc. so I could work full manual really (and occasionally do as some of my lenses are MF only). Obviously this is a lot more difficult with fast moving sports photography.

mcc49 said:
My point is that yes the sensor plays a big part but for the OP's needs, the AF system and burst rate needs to be up to scratch else he'll just end up with a lot of low noise blurry shots :)
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Totally agree, for the OP's requirements technology is a must.

I was making a point as some people will automatically upgrade to the latest body for the sake of technology in the same vain that they'd upgrade their graphics card.

At the end of the day, all camera bodies have their uses related to what the photographer wants to do with it. You need to find out what suits you best and then spend all your earnings on lovely glass. :D
 
Cheers all, I know someone who does what I will be doing and he said a 7D (if i cant manage a 1D) is currently the best model for what we do so looks like that could be the way forward, would be coupled with a 70-200mm IS USM White lens :)
 
oO Stevie Oo said:
Cheers all, I know someone who does what I will be doing and he said a 7D (if i cant manage a 1D) is currently the best model for what we do so looks like that could be the way forward, would be coupled with a 70-200mm IS USM White lens :)
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Best Canon model, any current Nikon from the D300s, D700 and D3(x/s) has as good or better AF and would be just as suitable. The 7D isn't a bad choice but saying it's best is a very Canon centric approach. If you're used to Nikon it wouldn't be a logical choice.
 
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