New Speed Cameras

The_Dark_Side · 10 Apr 2006 at 18:32

djbenjo said:
What about other types of trade policies, mechanics for example?

a trade policy is a trade policy, mechanics and salesmen are just variations on a theme.

merlin said:
DOC has it's days numbered. Motor Traders have to report vehicles in their posession to the Motor Insurers Database (MID) (which ANPR feeds off), Fleet operators also have to report vehicle details to the MID

yup i've received these disclosure forms upon my last couple of renewals.

[TW]Fox · 10 Apr 2006 at 18:38

The_Dark_Side said:
i thought ANPR only checked for road tax dodgers?

Then you thought wrong

ANPR is a tad more complex than a DVLA road tax camera.

The_Dark_Side · 10 Apr 2006 at 18:40

[TW]Fox said:
Then you thought wrong

ANPR is a tad more complex than a DVLA road tax camera.

i know it's going to be, i just hadn't realised it already is.
i was under the impression the motor insurers database wasn't available to ANPR as yet.

Von Smallhausen · 10 Apr 2006 at 19:33

The_Dark_Side said:
i thought ANPR only checked for road tax dodgers?

No, it can check for anything really. Interest markers on the PNC, insurance database, MOT database and a raft of others. Tax is just one of the things ANPR can do.

Malachy · 10 Apr 2006 at 19:42

this is all well and good but the anpr in my local sainsburys garage cant get 50% of the plates right, especially if they are dirty etc.
Now say i have a car off the road sorn declarred and one o fthese cameras read the plate wrong on another car but manages to read my plate, i get a fine.............. Fantastic!

Duke · 10 Apr 2006 at 19:46

Anything that helps get rid of non-insured/taxed drivers is a good idea imo.

btw check this beast - http://www.gatsometer.com/scrivo/asset.php?id=12837

Sputnik II · 10 Apr 2006 at 19:50

I saw what I think was a gatso on a really high pole today. First speed camera I've seen that high from the ground.

Akira · 10 Apr 2006 at 20:04

mrgubby said:
Cameras will only catch us honest criminals who can be contacted and fined . The really bad lpeople (TM) will get away free

Sad but true. If a scrote is driving an untaxed, uninsured, unMOT'ed car that's not registered to him, he's sorted.

energy · 10 Apr 2006 at 20:25

Sputnik II said:
I saw what I think was a gatso on a really high pole today. First speed camera I've seen that high from the ground.

They have started appearing around the N1/N7/N19 areas of London, I've seen many replacing standard units during the past month. It seems they use a piezo sensor instead of a radar.

ICE Master · 10 Apr 2006 at 21:51

Dont know if any one has mentioned this but we have tax disks, why not insurance disks? This would make it easier for police or whoever to determine whether chavs have insurance or not. Not many tax disks have been faked but it could be a problem for insurance disks.

n3vrmind · 10 Apr 2006 at 22:35

Maybe im just 'the' most synical person there is but it just sounds like a way to make a money spinner generate more cash to me

whats the betting that while these things might start off slack, giving a couple of weeks after expiry then after a few years it'll be a situation where you might get caught traveling 1mph over the limit and the points are automatically applied to your new national id/license and 2 days later the same camera has you for invalid insurance because you havent had the letter yet and havent informed your insurer of the extra points

these things are always introduced 'as a way of tackling societies evils' then made more and more restrictive until they get a percentage of the normal population for good measure to make them cost effective

take for example that alistair darling ******, he goes on top gear saying how flexible they are and how they paint them bright yellow and less than 6 months on the rules are changed so that it can do you at 1mph over and they can now disguide them to blend in the landscape, pretending its all for the public benefit in the first place but then scraping those rules because they make it a less effective cash generator

merlin · 11 Apr 2006 at 08:54

The_Dark_Side said:
i know it's going to be, i just hadn't realised it already is.
i was under the impression the motor insurers database wasn't available to ANPR as yet.

ANPR and the MID are linked, but that's irrelevant - the real question here is "is it being used"?

It can't be used as an "automated system" as yet because of numerous problems :-

The Database has still not yet achieved 98% accuracy

The Database doesn't hold driver details

Afaik there's no automated system in place yet for delivering a no insurance "producer" to the registered keeper. At present I think it's just being used for Police checkpoints where the ANPR reads the plate - and then you get stopped by the Police a few yards up the road. As said - it just isn't reliable or developed enough at present for the Police to allow you to pass the ANPR and simply mail you your no insurance offence a few days later.

I doubt one single person in the UK has had something in the post asking about their insurance after passing ANPR. But plenty have been stopped a few yards up the road and asked about it. That said I suppose the net result is the same.

So yes I think it's in use, but in a half cocked way. If three cars pass through ANPR and all come up with no insurance - the Police will probably only collar one of those three. With full automation - they'll all get caught.

Not proof read this so hope it makes sense, coffee is going cold.