New system for WOW

hedgey · 5 Nov 2010 at 03:10

also ppl who say gpu matters less than cpu, are wrong. try wow with dx11 mode with a dx11 card. it flies!

Marine-RX179 · 5 Nov 2010 at 07:05

hedgey said:
er...wow is a 6 year old game. any cpu is good enough since it doesn't even use two cores. with a 5850 oc'd a bit, i get 60fps in most situations at 1920x1200 on high/ultra.

The reason your system ain't doing too bad is because you have a top range dual-core of previous gen (which is only a bit slower than i3 530) that's overclocked to 4.0GHz. People with Duals/Quads at only 3.0GHz ish will not be seeing as high frame rate as you in busy area if they had the same graphic as you. And I think the "most situations" you mentioned doesn't cover 25 men raids. In non-busy area, any half decent system would get decent frame rate no problem.

hedgey said:
also ppl who say gpu matters less than cpu, are wrong. try wow with dx11 mode with a dx11 card. it flies!

Not saying faster graphic card don't help, but in 25 men raid, CPU matters more than the graphic card as graphic details can be turn down to help with frame rate if graphic is what dropping the frame rate, but CPU not being faster enough...there's nothing can be done. And if you are bothered, go on a 25 men raid and see how much GPU usage you're on during the pitfall of the frame rate...I doubt it would be anywhere near 100% GPU usage because it would be the CPU that's holding the frame rate back.

Superjeep4x4 · 5 Nov 2010 at 14:50

A Phenom x4 or a hex will smoke wow. Any of them will run it great. People dog on AMD but frankly you get a ton of performance for the money and they will run wow just as well as the intel chip would so buy the setup that gives ya the most bang for the buck.

I have played WoW since beta up until very recently on several different setups and that "Titan Cyborg" you linked would play it perfectly.

Marine-RX179 · 5 Nov 2010 at 16:32

Superjeep4x4 said:
A Phenom x4 or a hex will smoke wow. Any of them will run it great.

Hex for WOW has to be the worst recommendation, as the game is barely making good use of the 3rd and 4th cores, let alone 5th and 6th...

What WOW need is not more cores on the CPU, but a CPU that has higher/faster IPC (instructions per clock).

franco_22 · 5 Nov 2010 at 16:34

That cyborg is pointless if ur going to pay that much money then u might as well get the decimator which gives u a much suoerior cpu, cooler, etc even the i5 build would be better. U don't need a gtx 470 to play wow. That's so overkill. Get the krypt with a gtx 460 1024mb and a ssd which will still be cheaper then all the other ones and do rhe same job, alternatively ask ocuk to replace the x4 640 with an 555 and unlock it

Leeroy Jenkins · 5 Nov 2010 at 17:34

franco_22 said:
That cyborg is pointless if ur going to pay that much money then u might as well get the decimator which gives u a much suoerior cpu, cooler, etc even the i5 build would be better. U don't need a gtx 470 to play wow. That's so overkill. Get the krypt with a gtx 460 1024mb and a ssd which will still be cheaper then all the other ones and do rhe same job, alternatively ask ocuk to replace the x4 640 with an 555 and unlock it

i'm putting a gtx 460 in it to save around 60 pounds the whole system is 700 pounds with windows 7 which is my budget and a 6 core is just overkill for wow thats what most people are telling me and i am quite happy to opt for the cyborg tbh.

franco_22 · 5 Nov 2010 at 18:42

lucarocks92 said:
i'm putting a gtx 460 in it to save around 60 pounds the whole system is 700 pounds with windows 7 which is my budget and a 6 core is just overkill for wow thats what most people are telling me and i am quite happy to opt for the cyborg tbh.

I don't see a option to downgrade the card to GTX 460 and I don't see why OcUK would take an expensive component out of the build to save you money.

The Titan Krypt is still £30 cheaper with a 60GB OCZ SSD which will give you a much better improvement to your overall system performance and specially WoW who is full of little textures that make the fastest computer lag in Dalaran then the l3 cache from a phenom. If you want the L3 Cache then replace the Athlon with a BE 555 which is the dual core version of the 955 but can be unlocked to quad with a few bios setting. + When hexcores become mainstream you could upgrade to it as it's the same CPU socket. The GTX 460 1024mb with the Krypt can be overclocked to near GTX 470 performance and it will also be overkill for WoW, spending the extra money on a 470 instead of a SSD for WoW is a bad investment.

Also, 6 cores might be overkill for WoW right now but what about in 1 or 2 years time when hexacores become mainstream? Then you'd be wishing you bought the decimator.

If you still set on spending £700 instead of buying the Titan Krypt then atleast buy the i5 or 1055t build :S

Journey · 5 Nov 2010 at 18:57

So what's with the huge over estimation of the system needed for WoW?

Using an E5400 Dual Core OC'd to 3.9GHz, 4GB RAM and an ATI 5770 1GB @ 1,000MHz, 5Ghz RAM all at 1920x1200 with Ultra on all but the shadows, 60 fps... no complaints in 25 man raids.

franco_22 · 5 Nov 2010 at 18:59

Journey said:
So what's with the huge over estimation of the system needed for WoW?

Using an E5400 Dual Core OC'd to 3.9GHz, 4GB RAM and an ATI 5770 1GB @ 1,000MHz, 5Ghz RAM all at 1920x1200 with Ultra on all but the shadows, 60 fps... no complaints in 25 man raids.

another reason to take the Athlon X4 with an SSD and GTX 460 1024MB over a Phenom/i5/1055t :rolleyes:

Leeroy Jenkins · 5 Nov 2010 at 19:02

what exactly does the ssd upgrade do i read something on it but still unsure of it?

Journey · 5 Nov 2010 at 19:05

Well if you were to buy a Motherboard, RAM, CPU + Cooler and Graphics card like mine it would cost all of £280 inc VAT, only using a 430w Akasa PSU which is about 7 years old and have 11TB of HDD's attatched and it's never faultered once.

franco_22 · 5 Nov 2010 at 19:15

lucarocks92 said:
what exactly does the ssd upgrade do i read something on it but still unsure of it?

It's a Solid State Hardrive, it's silent, 10x quicker then a normal mechanical HDD, probably the single biggest performance increase you have ever experienced in your entire life, loading screens that took you 30 seconds before will only take a couple of seconds now, Win 7 boots around 15 seconds, installs and aps load much quicker and smoother (no lag), for WoW it's a godsend because it's a streaming game and full of little files, textures and particles that are always being loaded (every time you're running around, there's only so much you can see so it's HDD and CPU are constantly being worked by loading new things), an SSD will make this much much smoother and faster.

Just go and take a look at the HDD forums, loads of threads on it. The only disadvantage right now is that SSD's are still very expensive. But like I mentioned before, you would actually save £75 by buying the Krypt with a GTX460 1024mb + 60GB Vertez SSD. That money could be used to buy a better GPU, CPU, second SSD, etc. Or just simply save it. The l3 cache of a phenom is not worth all that, specially on WoW, like some posters said before, WoW will max on any processor above a Pentium D

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If it was my money I'd take the Krypt with those upgrades and like I mentioned before, in a couple of years time when hexacores become mainstream you can upgrade to a 1055t or 1090t because it's the same socket type. Your other option is to sell the Athlon or ask OcUK to replace the Athlon with a Phenom, you just don't need the GTX 470 that comes with the cyborg, it's a complete overkill because WoW is not that demanding graphics wise, it's a CPU and RAM intensive game first (Addons) followed by GPU and HDD.

Leeroy Jenkins · 6 Nov 2010 at 00:30

wow thanks for that post i guess i should go with what u said, really appreciate the help i'm getting on these forums.

wannabedamned · 6 Nov 2010 at 00:42

I cant believe some of these top of the range specs for WoW lol!!! Hilarious!!

Quad core Q6600 and midranged graphics card and you're laughing(Probably get similar from an E6600)

SSD though as recommended already is always a good idea.

I had an arguement about SSD in the computer shop I work for today, I'm pro, SSD he isnt. I actually got quite ****** off with the guy with some of the stuff he was saying. I'm not one to argue, but it left me steaming -_-

Customer asked if it was any good, He said "No its crap" LOLWUT was my reaction

Superjeep4x4 · 6 Nov 2010 at 02:30

Marine-RX179 said:
Hex for WOW has to be the worst recommendation, as the game is barely making good use of the 3rd and 4th cores, let alone 5th and 6th...

What WOW need is not more cores on the CPU, but a CPU that has higher/faster IPC (instructions per clock).

Thats what I was saying really. You do not need a hex or a intel clocked to the high heavens. Any of them will be more than enough for WoW so it just comes down to fining the package that rounds it out the best really.

I like the Cyborg overall it just packs a little more punch but the more I think about for your needs Franco_22 's suggestion is good to, but if they will let you drop the GPU down as you say to fit in the SSD then IMO thats the sweet spot and would give you a pretty well rounded machine.

Just keep in mind that SSD is only 60 gigs so you will have to keep it pretty slim. My current WoW folder is 19 gigs and I do not have the last couple patches so figure 20ish gigs for wow and your windows install(mine is around 35 gigs with misc smaller day to day progs) is not gonna leave you much room so having another in there for misc bigger apps and games will pretty much be mandatory.

Peter_C · 6 Nov 2010 at 09:52

franco_22 said:
I don't see a option to downgrade the card to GTX 460 and I don't see why OcUK would take an expensive component out of the build to save you money.

Because gaining a sale and making slightly less money (probably still about the same profit) is better than not gaining a sale?

OCUK said:
Note - If you would like to make a small change to the specification call our sales team on 0871 200 5052 and they will be happy to help.
The lead time on all pre-built systems is between 24-48 hours.

Cuchulain · 6 Nov 2010 at 09:55

I've got an I5 @ 4ghz, 4gb and a GTX 470, WoW still struggles a bit in Dalaran but most of it is disk access, so as several people have mentioned, go for an SSD!

franco_22 · 6 Nov 2010 at 10:08

Peter_C said:
Because gaining a sale and making slightly less money (probably still about the same profit) is better than not gaining a sale?

Yes? They will more likely upgrade the Krypt to a phenom then downgrading the Cyborg. If they are upgrading something then they are making more money, if their downgrading something then their losing money.

Which one do you think they prefer?

Savvy · 6 Nov 2010 at 11:34

WoW is very CPU dependant, Intel i3 or AMD Athlon x2 will run the game flawlessly. Half decent graphics card will help.

I've played WoW on both Nvidia and ATi based cards, performance wise its still the same

t5kcannon · 6 Nov 2010 at 17:56

Interesting thread.

Sorry if the point has been answered, but for the purposes of playing WoW is there any benefit going for a i7 950 over a i5 760?

I guess this is probably a tricky question to answer since other factors like memory in a triple channel system come into play. But in the experienced user's view, which do you think is better? Would WoW be pretty much max'ed out with a i5 system, or is there real, tangible benefit to a i7 system over time?