next gen AMD release

[Nickolp1974]

Getting the upgrade itch as im dying to have a play with a 9950X3D but are we far off the new version?? happy with what i have but its always good to try something new, trying for once to be sensible about it will the next gen still be on AM5?? as im thinking about picking up an Apex in the BF sales. As for memory OC, which is prefered A or M die?? would be interested to see how my Klevv sticks perform with AMD, they have no XMP or anything profiles but had them running at 8533C34 on my current system and only tried on 1x cpu. Is there much gain to be had going direct die??

 

[Dave2150]

There are rumours of a new flagship 9950X3D with the 3D cache on both chiplets, they may call this the 9955X3D or something similar, probably with a 5% performance improvement.

That said we're probably less than a year away from Zen6 release, which will of course come with a new chipset, new boards and new memory OC speeds. If I were you, I'd hold onto the 13900KS in your signature until Zen6/Novalake release, as these will be significantly faster than current AMD chips.

 

[mark 11:11]

I am also very much anticipating the zen 6 [assuming that name is whats used]
still on am4 atm
patience is something i lack though lol but i have no choice but wait and hope

 

[Nickolp1974]

There are rumours of a new flagship 9950X3D with the 3D cache on both chiplets, they may call this the 9955X3D or something similar, probably with a 5% performance improvement.

That said we're probably less than a year away from Zen6 release, which will of course come with a new chipset, new boards and new memory OC speeds. If I were you, I'd hold onto the 13900KS in your signature until Zen6/Novalake release, as these will be significantly faster than current AMD chips.

defo the sensible thing to do but not normally known to be sensible would still like to see what Intel brings to the table but arn't they completely redesigning? if so could be a couple of gens away for something great but who knows???

 

[Nickolp1974]

I am also very much anticipating the zen 6 [assuming that name is whats used]
still on am4 atm
patience is something i lack though lol but i have no choice but wait and hope

same

 

[Dave2150]

defo the sensible thing to do but not normally known to be sensible would still like to see what Intel brings to the table but arn't they completely redesigning? if so could be a couple of gens away for something great but who knows???

Intel are scheduled to launch Nova Lake (a 52 Core monster with their own version of X3D/LLC) and AMD are scheduled to launch Zen6 on AM5.

Both could be delayed though but currently both due 2026. Intel will be on a brand new and better platform (LGA-1954) than AMD, which will still be using AM5 (but with a motherboard/chipset refresh).

 

[jigger]

I don’t think there are any new desktop chips expected until 2027 which is about the time Chinese are expected to tour Taiwan, so I’d get my order in early…

 

[deviation]

By the sound of it, your 'playing around' consists of overclocking? Something that doesn't really yield much of an interest nor gain these days.

I can't see what, if any real world benefits are to be had with something that high end, considering it's overkill in stock form for most people, and demolishes pretty much any task you give it.

Numbers on paper are one thing, but I haven't had the need to overclock something for over 10 years now
Undervolting however...

 

[mark 11:11]

By the sound of it, your 'playing around' consists of overclocking? Something that doesn't really yield much of an interest nor gain these days.

I can't see what, if any real world benefits are to be had with something that high end, considering it's overkill in stock form for most people, and demolishes pretty much any task you give it.

Numbers on paper are one thing, but I haven't had the need to overclock something for over 10 years now
Undervolting however...

same!!!! very much the same
i think technically my ram is overclocked or the memory controller because im running 3600 on zen 3 but im not doing anything outside of the normal im in no way overclocked i havnt touched my cpu on voltage either
i am tempted though lol

 

[deviation]

same!!!! very much the same
i think technically my ram is overclocked or the memory controller because im running 3600 on zen 3 but im not doing anything outside of the normal im in no way overclocked i havnt touched my cpu on voltage either
i am tempted though lol

Yeah I mean stuff like XMP etc, is fine, but manually spending days tweaking, testing, benchmarking, stability testing, is far from fun these days, and we don't have as much time anymore being that we're older... Nowadays, I just want something to 'just work' lol.

 

[mark 11:11]

Yeah I mean stuff like XMP etc, is fine, but manually spending days tweaking, testing, benchmarking, stability testing, is far from fun these days, and we don't have as much time anymore being that we're older... Nowadays, I just want something to 'just work' lol.

bingo!!! yeah same basically lol
i missed the days of messing about to make things work i was too busy breaking musical equipement lol
but yeah same hence my next build is gonna be similar to this so sensible setup i dont mind using expo or whatever its called but im not doing the testing and messing about its way out of my comfort zone and hte benefits i wouldnt really get much from
well unless overclocking will make my machine somehow better at talking rubbish on forums and googling stuff then hey yeah overclock me baby lol

 

[deviation]

bingo!!! yeah same basically lol
i missed the days of messing about to make things work i was too busy breaking musical equipement lol
but yeah same hence my next build is gonna be similar to this so sensible setup i dont mind using expo or whatever its called but im not doing the testing and messing about its way out of my comfort zone and hte benefits i wouldnt really get much from
well unless overclocking will make my machine somehow better at talking rubbish on forums and googling stuff then hey yeah overclock me baby lol

Yeah, it was worth it back then wasting all that time to make our slow pc's less slower. And awesome when you gained a huge real world noticable jump as with the Q6600 first gen quad cores - I had mine running 3.8GHz from 2.4GHz stock, on air, and 4GHz but not Prime95 stable. That was real world night and day difference from stock - of which was already mega for it's time.
But yeah, spending all day faffing about then having to keep leaving it on 12-24 hours at a time and keeping an eye on it every 20-60 minutes to make sure that it hasn't frozen/stacked it, is something I don't miss, but back then it was eventually satisfying when it became stable after all that time wasted.

But nowadays, we're spoilt for choice and everything is fast enough, bar those naughty GPU's

 

[jigger]

Yeah I mean stuff like XMP etc, is fine, but manually spending days tweaking, testing, benchmarking, stability testing, is far from fun these days, and we don't have as much time anymore being that we're older... Nowadays, I just want something to 'just work' lol.

Overclocking and tweaking memory/IO helps in situations when you have lots of cores under prolonged heavy workloads but, but simply toggling a few setting in the BIOS yields 85-90% of the performance gains for minimal effort, at least in the case of AMD. Spending days to dial in an extra 1-2% per thread on a 16 thread chip is questionable for typical desktop use.

All that said, I do think it’s pretty likely we could see a large performance jump with AMD moving from N4P/N6 to N2P/N3P so there could be some extra headroom for overclocking.

 

[deviation]

Overclocking and tweaking memory/IO helps in situations when you have lots of cores under prolonged heavy workloads but, but simply toggling a few setting in the BIOS yields 85-90% of the performance gains for minimal effort, at least in the case of AMD. Spending days to dial in an extra 1-2% per thread on a 16 thread chip is questionable for typical desktop use.

All that said, I do think it’s pretty likely we could see a large performance jump with AMD moving from N4P/N6 to N2P/N3P so there could be some extra headroom for overclocking.

True

But real world, how many home users actually need to overclock, let alone use all the horsepower of a top end CPU?

I swear most people just buy stuff for the sake of it/itch, these days and rarely real world can justify it. Thats all fine though, whatever makes people happy. But overkill can still always be a thing.
So many people that'll claim they need X for video editing/production, or claiming they're a youtuber, but in reality, most could have got X done on a lesser spec machine and probably not known the difference if iot was a blind test

Fair, I just think the need for overclocking, is long gone, CPU wise, maybe not on GPU's, but that's another story

 

[jigger]

Yeah, it was worth it back then wasting all that time to make our slow pc's less slower. And awesome when you gained a huge real world noticable jump as with the Q6600 first gen quad cores - I had mine running 3.8GHz from 2.4GHz stock, on air, and 4GHz but not Prime95 stable. That was real world night and day difference from stock - of which was already mega for it's time.
But yeah, spending all day faffing about then having to keep leaving it on 12-24 hours at a time and keeping an eye on it every 20-60 minutes to make sure that it hasn't frozen/stacked it, is something I don't miss, but back then it was eventually satisfying when it became stable after all that time wasted.

But nowadays, we're spoilt for choice and everything is fast enough, bar those naughty GPU's

I can always use more CPU horsepower somewhere. I can only use 1-2 CPUs per system, whereas (power and cooling allowing) I can drop up to 10 GPUs in a system.

 

[deviation]

I can always use more CPU horsepower somewhere. I can only use 1-2 CPUs per system, whereas (power and cooling allowing) I can drop up to 10 GPUs in a system.

Do you neglect taking your kids to Raging Waters?

 

[Dave2150]

True

But real world, how many home users actually need to overclock, let alone use all the horsepower of a top end CPU?

I swear most people just buy stuff for the sake of it/itch, these days and rarely real world can justify it. Thats all fine though, whatever makes people happy. But overkill can still always be a thing.
So many people that'll claim they need X for video editing/production, or claiming they're a youtuber, but in reality, most could have got X done on a lesser spec machine and probably not known the difference if iot was a blind test

Fair, I just think the need for overclocking, is long gone, CPU wise, maybe not on GPU's, but that's another story

You can make the same analogy for anything really. Cars for example. People drive £1k cars on roads with 20MPH speed limits and people also drive £50k cars on roads with 20MPH speed limits. £5k cars on 70MPH speed limit roads and £100,000k cars on 70MPH speed limit roads.

£5k on a gaming PC vs playing the same game on £500 PS5. At least the gaming PC lets you go faster (higher FPS/HZ monitor/prettier pixels) without breaking the law

 

[deviation]

You can make the same analogy for anything really. Cars for example. People drive £1k cars on roads with 20MPH speed limits and people also drive £50k cars on roads with 20MPH speed limits. £5k cars on 70MPH speed limit roads and £100,000k cars on 70MPH speed limit roads.

£5k on a gaming PC vs playing the same game on £500 PS5. At least the gaming PC lets you go faster (higher FPS/HZ monitor/prettier pixels) without breaking the law

True, but people with with fast cars do not drive them sensibly well not all the time Anyone who says otherwise, is paranoid and lying

Spoiler

Or a poser and a pussy, who needs to man the **** up and put their foot down/learn to drive!

 

[jigger]

True

But real world, how many home users actually need to overclock, let alone use all the horsepower of a top end CPU?

I swear most people just buy stuff for the sake of it/itch, these days and rarely real world can justify it. Thats all fine though, whatever makes people happy. But overkill can still always be a thing.
So many people that'll claim they need X for video editing/production, or claiming they're a youtuber, but in reality, most could have got X done on a lesser spec machine and probably not known the difference if iot was a blind test

Fair, I just think the need for overclocking, is long gone, CPU wise, maybe not on GPU's, but that's another story

It depends. The Elite gamers out there are using 200-400hz monitors. To hit those kind of frame rates requires a bonkers fast system that leans entirely off performance of 8-16 threads from the CPU.

 

[arknor]

You can make the same analogy for anything really. Cars for example. People drive £1k cars on roads with 20MPH speed limits and people also drive £50k cars on roads with 20MPH speed limits. £5k cars on 70MPH speed limit roads and £100,000k cars on 70MPH speed limit roads.

if ps5 is a car then it's a car with a basic amount of onboard entertainment
gaming pc is a private jet to entertainment island