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next gen console effect on PCs?

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What does the PS4, and presumably similar XBox, AMD architecture mean for PC gaming?
I'm considering a gpu upgrade (from a GTX 460) soon and wonder if I should get a HD7850

Any thoughts?
 
The next gen Xbox will be API compatible with Windows 8 from what I understand. This will mean that PC gaming and XBox gaming will sorta start to fuse. What that will do for PC Games, I am not sure.
 
nuzik said:
No get a 7950. Sonys GPU is worked out differently than a standard one. It will be CPU/gpu in one
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Yes, thats called an APU, its the same thing as this, only much much more powerful. :)

The iGPU on it works in exactly the same way as a discrete GPU.

Most mainstream games that you get from Origin and Steam or from a shop are Console ports, BF3, Crysis 3, ecte....

With AMD being in Game Consoles thats who those games will be optimised for.
 
The 8GB unified RAM should allow for way better textures. But the CPU might struggle to keep up with the GPU from what I've read. Remains to be seen if games will be 1080p with AA, AF etc. Probably not at first but the fact that both MS and Sony went with AMD's offering must mean something. Don't know why you would have 8GB GDDR5, surely at most the OS would need 4GB and that's if it's a full-blown Windows type thing - that leaves 4GB for framebuffer which is not fillable even with a Titan in most situations.
 
Orangey said:
The 8GB unified RAM should allow for way better textures. But the CPU might struggle to keep up with the GPU from what I've read. Remains to be seen if games will be 1080p with AA, AF etc. Probably not at first but the fact that both MS and Sony went with AMD's offering must mean something. Don't know why you would have 8GB GDDR5, surely at most the OS would need 4GB and that's if it's a full-blown Windows type thing - that leaves 4GB for framebuffer which is not fillable even with a Titan in most situations.
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I have read a couple of people suggesting it may struggle because its an AMD CPU. its Just the usual uniformed 'follow the trend' rhetoric.

In this thread is an example of what happens when a game (Crysis 3) is developed with AMD (and not just Intel) in mind.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18490963
 
AFAIK devs don't "develop for Intel", Intel just has better IPC and a superior arch. I'm sure they send engineers for games with the "plays better on" logo but they still win in every other title.

What I mean by "struggles to keep up with the GPU" is that I read Jaguar is clocked at 2GHz, with lower IPC than Piledriver and the GPU is somewhere around the 7850 mark.
 
Orangey said:
AFAIK devs don't "develop for Intel", Intel just has better IPC and a superior arch. I'm sure they send engineers for games with the "plays better on" logo but they still win in every other title.

What I mean by "struggles to keep up with the GPU" is that I read Jaguar is clocked at 2GHz, with lower IPC than Piledriver and the GPU is somewhere around the 7850 mark.
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AMD's architecture is very different to Intel's, scheduling and threading works differently, its not about specifically developing for a brand, its about optimising for different architectures.

Actually Jaguar (3'rd gen Bobcat) has vastly better IPC than Piledriver.

Can't find the link now but tests done on Bobcat clearly showed that Bocat clocked something like 1.6Ghz had 85% the performance of the FX-8150 clocked at 3.6Ghz. Jaguar has 15/20% higher IPC than Bobcat.

@ 2Ghz the performance is probably about the same as the stock FX-8350.
 
Well that's cheering, hopefully they won't need to drop below 1080p like the current gen dropped below 720p frequently (Halo 3 at 540p). :)
 
imginy said:
what clock is new cpu running at?

isn't it something bad like 2ghz :confused:
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This is probably why AMD have such long pipelines on thier Desktop CPU's :p

At this point AMD can't match Intel on raw core for core per watt performance.

That leaves them with 3 options.

Lower IPC with higher clock speeds (Long Pipelines)

High IPC with lower clock speeds (Short pipelines) < more effesiant than ^

Lower IPC, Higher clock speeds and more cores (what they actually did, FX-###) Not very effisiant at all but looks good to most pepole and makes up for the per core performance defficite in multithreaded apps.

In the same way that Intel have lower clock speeds than AMD and yet are still faster per core; Jaguars low clock speed is no indication of performance at all.

They are actually very power effisiant and very fast.
 
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I think the next generation consoles being a bit more beefy is a good thing for PC gaming. It would mean that new games don't have to be optimised for the near 10 year old hardware that's on the Xbox 360 and the PS3. The console ports for PC will push the PC hardware harder and get more out of it IMO.
 
xsistor said:
The next gen Xbox will be API compatible with Windows 8 from what I understand. This will mean that PC gaming and XBox gaming will sorta start to fuse. What that will do for PC Games, I am not sure.
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Oh no, I don't much fancy being forced into a Win 8 upgrade
 
When ever I want to play Dirt 3, I have to connect to the Xbox Live service which sucks because in a way I want my PC gaming experience and my Console experience to be different. I want to keep it separate but i know that in the future everything will be connected and everyone can find you everywhere.
 
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