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next gen gfx card from amd when ?
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I thought they were going to 'refresh' the 5000 series later this year, with cards like the 5860 replacing the 5850.
maybe just before they come out to get rid of stock
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I'm also waiting for the refresh, I heard Autumn, just hope they come out before Crysis 2
The 6000 series will be a hybrid of the current 5000 series architecture and the Northern Island architecture, resulting in the Southern Island architecture. Reason for this is because apparantly the Northern Islands was originally going to be 32nm, but the process was cancelled. So while they get the 28nm manufacturing right, Southern Islands will be made on 40nm as a stop-gap solution.
Quoted from Wikipedia:
Quoted from Wikipedia:
The 6000 series should be out in Q4 this year, while they expect Northern Islands (7000 series?) to be out in 2011.
iv got high hopes for global foundries, theyre test chips and reports look very promising, although nvidias stance of never using them as they are part owned by amd is kinda worrying seeing the complete shambles tsmc have become 
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What I gather from this thread is that there will be a rehash of the 5000 this year but next year theres going to be a whole manufacturing process based GPU from AMD/ATI, is this right? Because if so I might wait until next year because I have a Geforce 8800GTS at the moment and i'm quite happy with its performance with todays titles in my current PC
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Its VERY possible the new cards will push current prices down, but not far.
ITs a 40nm process, in general a double performance chip would have double the transistors, so the usual next gen would be circa 4 billion transistors, or, Fermi sized + a bit. Thats just not happening so we've got a stop gap chip, it will be a large die(because its still on 40nm) and likely won't have a huge boost in performance. They could half the size of the 5870 again and still be smaller than Fermi, but not much and likely only 35-45% faster.
In reality its not particularly cost effective to replace every card in this generation with new parts as they will cost more to make than the 5xxx series parts at every price point, meaning every price point would likely shift up.
I think theres a good chance we'll see a 6870, a 6850, 6830, a very slim outside chance at a 6970, but we might keep a £160 5850, a £200 5870 and the 57xx, 55xx, 54xx series the same with a small price drop.
Then have essentially performance 6870-6830 series parts from £200-350 or something along those lines.
Basically because they have no choice to boost performance but increase die size, and doing so lowers the amount of cores per wafer, and the yield of cores, meaning a pretty large increase in price as die size increases which won't be good for us.
ITs a 40nm process, in general a double performance chip would have double the transistors, so the usual next gen would be circa 4 billion transistors, or, Fermi sized + a bit. Thats just not happening so we've got a stop gap chip, it will be a large die(because its still on 40nm) and likely won't have a huge boost in performance. They could half the size of the 5870 again and still be smaller than Fermi, but not much and likely only 35-45% faster.
In reality its not particularly cost effective to replace every card in this generation with new parts as they will cost more to make than the 5xxx series parts at every price point, meaning every price point would likely shift up.
I think theres a good chance we'll see a 6870, a 6850, 6830, a very slim outside chance at a 6970, but we might keep a £160 5850, a £200 5870 and the 57xx, 55xx, 54xx series the same with a small price drop.
Then have essentially performance 6870-6830 series parts from £200-350 or something along those lines.
Basically because they have no choice to boost performance but increase die size, and doing so lowers the amount of cores per wafer, and the yield of cores, meaning a pretty large increase in price as die size increases which won't be good for us.
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I'm definitely waiting for the new manufacturing process then, i'll only kick myself if I dont
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Northern islands will be on 28nm, they aren't skipping 32nm as such, there won't be any bulk 32nm from anyone. 32nm was supposed to be out ALREADY, its gone, its done and dusted, so Northern islands is being shifted to 28nm, but thats not till WELL into next year at the earliest. South Islands is a 40nm process gpu, no questions about it, it IS, it will not be smaller and more power efficient, it will be bigger and almost certainly use more power(some saving from design, efficiency and any further tricks they've learned for 40nm).