Next Round of Nvidia GPU's ?

[Angilion]

Currently running on a GT 1030, Sold off my 1080 Ti and Vega64 as I was honestly not that impressed by them, Plus work has increased 10 fold so gaming was cut by at least 95%.

So anyone know roughly when we can expect anything new from team green ? Is it around GTC or is it another conference thingy ?

Some people will know, but they won't say. nvidia are very good at not leaking and seem to have a general policy of saying very little in advance.

I don't think it'll matter to you, really. You're not impressed with a 1080 Ti or Vega64 and until at least September the things you're using your PC for work fine with a 1030. If anything new comes out at the top end before September, you won't have any use for it and it probably wouldn't impress you anyway. What could they do gaming-wise that a 1080 Ti can't? They almost certainly wouldn't be a game-changing increase in gaming performance and even if they were games would still be designed for current performance because games have to be designed for mass market sales. I think you'd get playable framerates at even higher eye candy settings and you'd probably hardly notice the difference.

I'm not seeing an urgent pressure for nvidia to go into overdrive on a new generation of gaming cards, anyway. Pascal sells very well and won't be out of date soon. Volta is designed for compute use and would require some serious redesigning to make it into a graphics card at a practical cost and if that was done it probably wouldn't be a big improvement over Pascal. Vega is OK, but it's not not going to make buying Pascal a silly waste of money. So where's the hurry? I wouldn't be surprised if the whole of 2018 sees nothing more than a Pascal tuneup for nvidia's gaming cards line, with a laughably expensive Volta card running gaming drivers for a few very rich gamers to buy for fun because they can and they want one.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

I'm using 6700k/1080ti/3440*1440 and the only issue I've seen recently in terms of frame rate has been Assassin's Creed Origins, and that's been a CPU bottleneck not a GPU bottleneck.

Unless I change my monitor (unlikely), I'm pretty happy to stick with my 1080ti for another year at least, so Nvidia can take as long as they like with the next cycle.

 

[bru]

I reckon they might go for a new 750 ti style pipe cleaner, with Ampere under the hood first.
As it has been said by many of us there is no real need to push the envelop for NVIDIA just yet, with no signs of AMD getting thier act together GPU wise.

 

[Absorbentsolid]

I'm just waiting my self right now for the new cards, as i refuse to pay £800+ for a watercooled GPU this far into the 10x life cycle. I made the same mistake with my 980ti and low and behold 4 months after the 10 series came out.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

I'm just waiting my self right now for the new cards, as i refuse to pay £800+ for a watercooled GPU this far into the 10x life cycle. I made the same mistake with my 980ti and low and behold 4 months after the 10 series came out.

You really need to make the decision early on or you run that risk. I'll be on the next X80ti and putting it underwater as soon as they are released, and I won't be bothering too much about the price as that's what usually has me dithering too long. What I also need to do this time round is resist the temptation to buy a X80 because I know I'll just swap it for the Ti when it comes behind it.

 

[Killer7xx]

There will be some new cards from Nvidia for sure in 2018. People saying that Nvidia won't release anything because they currently have an advantage are just plain wrong. Holding back does nothing but cost you sales, just look at Intel this year. They dicked around with quad cores i7s for a few years too long and AMD caught them napping with Ryzen.

Pascal doesn't have enough of an advantage over Polaris and Vega in terms of performance. In power consumption yes, but in performance they trade blows up until the 1080Ti tier. AMD has already all but confirmed that they will be at the very least releasing a 12nm GPU next year, there's even a very slim chance that we could see an early release Navi in 2H 2018.

Don't forget that this isn't the first time that Nvidia are in this position. They were in the same place in 2006-2008 before AMD came back with the 4000 series and then crushed them with the 5000 series.

 

[Radox-0]

This is my point, NVidia have done very little work with the Titan V to make it a serious gaming card and this points to the fact that there is nothing in the wings anytime soon to suggest that there will be a range of Volta gaming cards.

To be honest the Volta Titan is an absolute beast but only because of the increased core count over Pascal, there are no efficiency gains unless properly written DX12 games start appearing very soon.

Indeed, the gaming performance is there in part thanks to the massive core. Now played devils advocate here if you don't mind, mostly you bring up good points to allow me to have a different spin on

My train of thought on the Titan V is A) it cost's Nvidia little to produce. The core, architecture and HBM already exist in the form of the Tesla card. Could be we are at a point where they have surplus V100 cores on hand, or even the Titan V gets Tesla core's which had issues on the memory controller needing a HBM stack to be turned off. Not to mention the cooler already exists (aside from color and slightly refined Vapor chamber).

Reason I mention this in relation to the next Gen gaming cards is B) Always be a market who want the best. Even though the Titan V is not designed as a gaming card primarily, there is a market for those who pay to play so to speak and thanks to the massive core you mentioned, its king of the hill for gaming also. So makes sense to get them out early (just like the Titan XP was) and get the market to buy these before launching the actual gaming cards. Similar to Titan X then 980Ti, Titan XP then 1080Ti etc.

For Nvidia its win win, sell V100 cores that may be surplus / imperfect for a while, then launch the gaming cards and hoover up those for whom the v100 was too steep and no doubt in plenty of cases, v100 owners will pick up the gaming cards anyways.

Just noticed that NVidia have got all their Titan Xp variants back in stock, (both Star Wars cards and the standard Xp) both in Europe and the States.

This does not bode well for any Volta gaming cards any time soon as NVidia are still producing Pascal Titans rather than just clearing stock.

Indeed, but it could also be a way to net some extra sales in conjunction with the price drop. I am sure Nvidia would rather people still buy the Titan Xp rather then aftermarket 1080Ti as they will have a larger margin for them. The price drop may just bring the card into some peoples price point compared to aftermarket 1080Ti's they were looking at. From a cost perspective aside from the cooler design the Titan Xp is not unique in the sense that the PCB is the reference 1080Ti PCB anyways and the core is just a Quadro core, no doubt plenty of both on hand.

TLR, one of two things come to mind. 1) Nvidia are clearing out surplus chip's, v100 is really just a Tesla card that costs £10,000 normally, here £3k is a bargin yet people are willing to pay and being king of the hill for gaming, the market may be bigger then if the card came out with a pure gaming card that was stripped down but performed as well for gaming, so may aswell get these sales. The Titan Xp has seen a price drop in part to shift more cores they have on hand or 2) It could be totally wrong my thought's and Nvidia have really tied up the high end anyways that they feel no need to move at this point. The consumer has little options.

As I say you make some great point's just some alternatives I have been mulling around and could very well be a load of tripe

 

[Rroff]

There will be some new cards from Nvidia for sure in 2018. People saying that Nvidia won't release anything because they currently have an advantage are just plain wrong. Holding back does nothing but cost you sales, just look at Intel this year. They dicked around with quad cores i7s for a few years too long and AMD caught them napping with Ryzen.

Pascal doesn't have enough of an advantage over Polaris and Vega in terms of performance. In power consumption yes, but in performance they trade blows up until the 1080Ti tier. AMD has already all but confirmed that they will be at the very least releasing a 12nm GPU next year, there's even a very slim chance that we could see an early release Navi in 2H 2018.

Don't forget that this isn't the first time that Nvidia are in this position. They were in the same place in 2006-2008 before AMD came back with the 4000 series and then crushed them with the 5000 series.

IMO and this is based largely on reading between the lines rather than stuff I've heard - I think people are going to be disappointed if they get too excited about Navi - I suspect 2018 the focus will be entirely on a refined Vega process and 2019 will be when things start to get interesting.

Agreed I don't think nVidia are going to be resting entirely on their laurels in 2018.

 

[melmac]

As it has been said by many of us there is no real need to push the envelop for NVIDIA just yet, with no signs of AMD getting thier act together GPU wise.

Then many of you are wrong. You really think Nvidia are holding back a whole line of cards just because AMD aren't competing at the high end? Not at hope. They might push out a new card quickly, like the 1070Ti to combat the Vega 56 or move up the release date of a card, like the 980Ti to cut off the Fury cards. But there is no way in hell that they are just holding back cards because of AMD. This ain't the CPU market.

Nvidia have never held back before, and their business is booming. Why would they start now? Especially as the market is crying out for new cards.

 

[tamzzy]

Then many of you are wrong. You really think Nvidia are holding back a whole line of cards just because AMD aren't competing at the high end? Not at hope

Hello Intel. Why innovate when you can stagnate and still pull in billions

 

[melmac]

Hello Intel. Why innovate when you can stagnate and still pull in billions

Nvidia aren't Intel, and the GPU market is different than the CPU market. A graphics card is usually a choice, whereas a CPU is going to be in the PC anyway and more than likely it's going to be an Intel one.

People are looking for more powerful GPUs. There is a need for them. VR, 4K, ever more demanding games and mining. Whereas a decent CPU from 6 years ago will still do a fairly good job today, especially at higher resolutions.

 

[nashathedog]

You are in for a very long wait I think.

The clue is the Volta Titan which is likely to be the only release on that architecture for gaming. The reason I say this is the card has no SLI connector and it was initially listed as a 10 series card by NVidia or putting it another way if there were going to be a family of Volta gaming cards then NVidia would have put more effort into designing a PCB with SLI and gaming in mind.

I think we are going to see Pascal on the shelves well into the summer.

Sounds about right, They're able to sit with Pascal for a while longer due to the lack of competitive gpu's, The Big Chip 1080ti and Titans are untouchable while Vega does hit 1080 levels of performance it's beat on power draw by a mile so unlikely to make a dent in the mid range Pascal sales, Plus when you look at pricing no-one in there right mind will be considering Vega unless they're big AMD fans, Anti Nvida bod's or Freesync users. They may want to push a lower end gpu out as they did with Maxwell's 750/ti though.

 

[nashathedog]

Then many of you are wrong. You really think Nvidia are holding back a whole line of cards just because AMD aren't competing at the high end? Not at hope. They might push out a new card quickly, like the 1070Ti to combat the Vega 56 or move up the release date of a card, like the 980Ti to cut off the Fury cards. But there is no way in hell that they are just holding back cards because of AMD. This ain't the CPU market.

Nvidia have never held back before, and their business is booming. Why would they start now? Especially as the market is crying out for new cards.

I'm not so sure, I think Nvidia holding back Volta is possible, This market's only a two horse race making market predictions is a lot easier to do so, if they predicted today's market correctly and Pascal is still selling well they may completely miss Volta for gaming as rumoured. It's possible they never completed the Volta gaming range and in turn it's possible they may jump past it if Pascal is still selling well, That way they can divert all the resources into creating a knockout range of whatever comes next. Of course that's a lot of what if's to it but I think it is a viable possibility, When competing ranges are staggered and you find that your competitors late to the party range does not beat your year old current range there's not that much of an incentive to push out what's due next if you can yourself leap further ahead to ensure they remain playing catch up. They've been dominant for a while which gives them the opportunity to make changes to how they do things.

 

[Silent_Scone]

You are in for a very long wait I think.

Not really, late Q1


Also, Merry Jimbus everyone

 

[kazuya1337]

5960X and a Maxwell Titan X and it pretty much rocks on 1440p and that's with a 2 year old card, Unless the next gen cards rock 4K at 144fps I will probably be on the same card in another 2 years simply because games are always limited by what consoles can manage.

 

[aoaaron]

Do we expect the next gen of Nvidia to trounce the 10x series like the 9 series did?

I'm considering buying a 1080ti but it would annoy me if say the 1170 bettered its performance. What're the chances of that happening given past generations?

My logic is buy 1080ti now for £650 is probably cheaper than buying a £250-300 1060 + £400-500 1170/1180.

 

[bru]

Well the last couple of xx70 cards have been about the same performance as the previous xx80ti cards. I see no reason why NVIDIA won't carry on in the same fashion, it is all a matter of when they do rather than if they do in my opinion.

 

[Telecaster]

I reckon they might go for a new 750 ti style pipe cleaner, with Ampere under the hood first.
As it has been said by many of us there is no real need to push the envelop for NVIDIA just yet, with no signs of AMD getting thier act together GPU wise.

I agree.

Out of interest, when the 750ti launched what Kepler based card did it match in performance?

 

[bru]

I agree.

Out of interest, when the 750ti launched what Kepler based card did it match in performance?

good question, my self I'm not sure, anyone else?

 

[Davanius]

The gtx 1080ti and Titan cards are untouchable from a competitive view, AMD are to far behind in that tier so Nvidia can and will take a long as they want. I don't expect to see a replacement for those cards till next autumn. Lower tier cards early summer.

Had AMD put up a fight, we would have new Nvidia cards by March I reckon.