And all it will take is someone sending a 10MB attachment to the global address list by accident to bring it all down again.
NHS computer systems hacked!?
- Thread starter Tone1979
- Start date
And all it will take is someone sending a 10MB attachment to the global address list by accident to bring it all down again.
Associate
- Joined
- 22 Jul 2004
- Posts
- 1,341
Aren't the docs smart enough to click a few buttons in Linux rather than Windows?
Caporegime
- Joined
- 8 Jan 2004
- Posts
- 32,570
- Location
- Rutland
God no. Half our systems don’t even have a GUI and are text based.
Recently one of the trusts I work in bought a whole load of iPads, which we used to log in to windows virtual desktops and then log in to the text based results system
I don't know why they let people have access to things like that. It happens in universities, companies etc... someone accidentally mails everyone in the organisation and then a whole load of idiots, rather than ignoring it, either reply to tell them they've mailed everyone or make a silly reply or get angry and reply to tell everyone to stop replying to all even though ironically that is what they've just done themselves and are just adding to the issue... and you end up with a few dozen to a few hundred to even a few thousand e-mails.
So the conservatives take away the Microsoft NHS agreement, realise this was a bad idea a couple of years later, then announce a 'free' upgrade to Windows 10. What about servers? It makes no mention of upgrading to Server 2012/1016.
Don't underestimate how big the NHS is. The article also says: "It hasn’t been revealed just how much the overhaul will cost to put Windows 10 on all NHS systems across the UK, which is a part of the “multi-million-pound” deal."
Soldato
- Joined
- 30 Sep 2005
- Posts
- 16,716
Knowing them, they will just upgrade to windows 10 without really thinking it through properly. What version are they using? LTSB I assume. If not, what are they going to do in two years time (again, assuming 1803)
It's worth noting that this is only about the English NHS. The Welsh NHS has been sorted for some time hence being unaffected by the Wannacry issue (unsure about the Scottish NHS).
0.12% of 2017/18 projected NHS budget.
They have taken strict guidance from the NCSC to follow their mandate of aggressive patching. I was on the NHS England deployment committee for the W10 proposal.
Eh? This is 2018. Who still has on premise servers? The deal includes a move to Azure and O365
Eh? This is 2018. Who still has on premise servers? The deal includes a move to Azure and O365
I've never been a fan of aggressive patching assuming we are talking same thing - however responsive patching yes.
Take the whole Meltdown/Spectre issues - I took prompt measures to keep myself secure while side-stepping all the issues many faced with jumping on the latest patches which introduced new stability and security issues as fast as they resolved old ones.
Take the whole Meltdown/Spectre issues - I took prompt measures to keep myself secure while side-stepping all the issues many faced with jumping on the latest patches which introduced new stability and security issues as fast as they resolved old ones.
Probably is (and we have it at my current job ) Government ran organizations do not trust/want to put sensitive information on cloud servers. No matter how hard MS/Amazon bang the drum about how safe and secure the data will be. On prem, locked away onsite basement within their own controlled environment is always favored. Even with the hybrid option
Good luck getting a 100% cloud hosted/SaaS deployment any time soon.
My son had an appointment at fracture clinic yesterday in my local hospital , walked in to the outpatients dept to be greeted by "Our computer systems have been updated today we are experiencing delays" . When I got to the desk they had installed new software to speed up processing of appointments only problem they could access patients details to book you in or give you your next appointment . They had to resort to pen n paper and walk you to that clinic .
Wonder who's idea it was to roll this out on a Monday morning
Wonder who's idea it was to roll this out on a Monday morning
Probably is (and we have it at my current job ) Government ran organizations do not trust/want to put sensitive information on cloud servers. No matter how hard MS/Amazon bang the drum about how safe and secure the data will be. On prem, locked away onsite basement within their own controlled environment is always favored. Even with the hybrid option
I don't get the fascination with moving everything to cloud/SaaS - moving front end and every day operations to things like O365 is probably one of the best things we did but for a lot of back end stuff not really necessary or even an advantage.
God no. Half our systems don’t even have a GUI and are text based.
Recently one of the trusts I work in bought a whole load of iPads, which we used to log in to windows virtual desktops and then log in to the text based results system
Those were the worst! Funnily enough they are now shut away in a cupboard somewhere. The ones in the operating theatres have had the chargers nicked so are out of battery constantly!
The absolute worst are the windows based tablets which rely on special pens to work with the touch screens and are about as ergonomic as handling a house brick. Similarly the full sized desktops on wheels which eat through battery and aren't ever plugged in... it's strange that the ward laptops (on wheels so they don't get nicked) are by far the most popular devices to use.
The NHS IT systems are strange and confusing!
Local Government, yes (because they are old, stale, don't like change and stuck in their ways), and anything classified above Official Sens.Probably is (and we have it at my current job ) Government ran organizations do not trust/want to put sensitive information on cloud servers. No matter how hard MS/Amazon bang the drum about how safe and secure the data will be. On prem, locked away onsite basement within their own controlled environment is always favored. Even with the hybrid option
The NCSC, the guideline body to the NHS consult, is entirely Cloud/SaaS/IaaS hosted, even it that technically forms PaaS too.
