NHS Database Opt Out

Why on earth would you opt out. Doesn't he want doctors to have easy access to his medical records to save his life. They can see if you are on any medicine or allergic to anything and makes it less like to lose any records or meetings as you are passed around 10 diffrent specialists.
 
Of course its a good thing, it's also ridiculously secure (Not to mention what possible benefit would there be to hacking it anyway, if you've got mad leet skillz its far better to nick credit card numbers or something, better than Aunt Flos medical history).
 
Hang on.... isn't this a database so that my medical records are accessible in another hospital away from home that I've been admitted to after a car crash or whatever? How else are they going to know that I'm allergic to Penicillin, and am currently on <list> prescriptions!?

It surely can only be a good thing! Why on earth would you want to opt out? :confused:

I think a WTF you hippy email is in order...
 
You obviously don't understand how this can affect future Private medical payments or Life Insurance contributions then ;)


And considering most of us will be privately covered in 10 years time (because the NHS will be a thing of the past) - that is pretty short sighted to say the least. How do you think the NHS will generate double what they need now in ten years time ? Imagine a country with it's entire population on a database.......all their blood types, their ailments, and their medical history.

Imagine how important that would be to a drugs company (with the odd 5Billion $ to pay the NHS) or a company developing a targeted ailment - something like Swine Flu - only a lot less obvious - or pathetic (as in - I must get that swine flu jag because the media says it's so, so bad)

Why would I want anyone to see my medical records???? I'm allergic to nothing.... They can test my bloodtype in 5 seconds, I have nothing they need to know.... and I have no past history. If I had a major condition - why not have some personal method of telling them I have a medical condition, rather than something they can sell on.

For Gods sake - open you eyes.
 
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[TW]Fox;16418137 said:
Private companies do not and will not have access?
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Whilst I am ambivilent towards the nature of the thread, I think that such refined important data WILL be sold off at some point with or without knowledge.
 
I assume this is the SCR again.

Despite my previous comments, there does seem to be some concern from doctors about how fast it is being implemented...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8625007.stm

But other than that, and some people reacting with 'ZOMG another database to be lost on a train' (which is very unlikely given the efforts put into security this time), most of it is the usual tinfoil rubbish.

See here...

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In summary, some databases are of very questionable merits (ID cards, I hear everyone cry), but I'd personally rather too many people knew about my health than too few.

PS - Insurance companies can ask your doctor for most of this stuff already, so that argument is a non-starter in my view.
 
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[TW]Fox;16418137 said:
Private companies do not and will not have access?
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It's data.

And just to refresh.....

Nov 2007: 25m people's child benefit details somehow missing.
Dec 2007: 7,685 Northern Ireland drivers' details somehow missing.
Dec 2007: 3m learner drivers' details lost in US - I wonder why ?
Jan 2008: 600,000 people's details lost on Navy officer's stolen laptop - Just 600,000 ?
June 2008: Laptops holding 20,000 patients' details stolen from hospital - Is that all ?
July 2008: MoD reveals 658 laptops stolen in four years - Just 658


Come on - Do you really think the data Is secure ? Do you really think the above were just genuine mistakes ?

I have received 2 letters from the government in the last 3 years saying something like...." look - We are sorry - but we lost your details - and we don't know where"

And I still don't know what's happened - or what they did to rectify that ?

Everything including my kids names - bank details - pics etc. Now - Imagine what they could do with my name/Address/Blood Group/Medical History etc - and possibly in the future - DNA/conditions/my whole medical history - and YES they will sell that data off..... just like they did with the Car Reg data that they said they would never sell.


And they will throw it out to the public as some amazing cure all thing - stating "we can sell this data on so the medical companies know how many people are sick with X&Y"
So - what do you expect me to do ?
 
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PASONIX said:
You obviously don't understand how this can affect future Private medical payments or Life Insurance contributions then ;)
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You obviously don't understand this is a highly secure system - more so than the current one in place.

PASONIX said:
And considering most of us will be privately covered in 10 years time (because the NHS will be a thing of the past) - that is pretty short sighted to say the least. How do you think the NHS will generate double what they need now in ten years time ? Imagine a country with it's entire population on a database.......all their blood types, their ailments, and their medical history.
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The NHS will still be with us in 10 years - in it's current form most likely not it has always shaped and shifted with the times.

PASONIX said:
Imagine how important that would be to a drugs company (with the odd 5Billion $ to pay the NHS) or a company developing a targeted ailment - something like Swine Flu - only a lot less obvious - or pathetic (as in - I must get that swine flu jag because the media says it's so, so bad)
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This information would be of little use to a drugs company. They know what they need to do and their research is geared towards that. Sheer paranoia.

PASONIX said:
Why would I want anyone to see my medical records???? I'm allergic to nothing.... They can test my bloodtype in 5 seconds, I have nothing they need to know.... and I have no past history. If I had a major condition - why not have some personal method of telling them I have a medical condition, rather than something they can sell on.
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You have found nothing you are allergic to so far. A cross match takes considerably longer than 5 secs. And as for the personal system of vocalising your history - if you are in a car accident would you be able to say hold on mate I know I am in a coma and all but I am a diabetic. Of course you would not hence the importance of such a system.

PASONIX said:
For Gods sake - open you eyes.
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For God's sake engage your brain.
 
The only reason they are trying to sell this - is because they want a bigger slice of the budget. You know it.

The NHS paper records system has never been a problem - and it works well.

I would much rather they poured the money into sorting out the mistakes/reducing the bureaucracy rather than this white elephant.
 
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maustin said:
if you are in a car accident would you be able to say hold on mate I know I am in a coma and all but I am a diabetic. Of course you would not hence the importance of such a system.
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On the other hand, MedicAlert would, and that's been around for years. Can't vouch for any security there might be there, however.
 
Berserker said:
On the other hand, MedicAlert would, and that's been around for years. Can't vouch for any security there might be there, however.
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Exactly - there's nothing stopping the UK population from having wristbands or dogtags if they have a medical condition - as they do in most of the world.
 
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PASONIX said:
It's data.

And just to refresh.....

Nov 2007: 25m people's child benefit details somehow missing.
Dec 2007: 7,685 Northern Ireland drivers' details somehow missing.
Dec 2007: 3m learner drivers' details lost in US - I wonder why ?
Jan 2008: 600,000 people's details lost on Navy officer's stolen laptop - Just 600,000 ?
June 2008: Laptops holding 20,000 patients' details stolen from hospital - Is that all ?
July 2008: MoD reveals 658 laptops stolen in four years - Just 658
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Wow...all those stats about losing things and none of them have anything to do with the NHS database or the system that will be in place.

This is the best way to scaremonger and spread paranoia. Works all over the world, Quote stats remotely related and try and use those stats to corrupt peoples mind against the new ideas
 
PASONIX said:
The NHS paper records system has never been a problem - and it works well.
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Until you move house, move doctors, move county. They take MONTHS to move your records to where you are . . . . I moved doctors, houses and conties, its a real problem if you have a medical condition (I have asthma).
It tooks weeks to be able to get proper prescriptions on repeat.
 
[TW]Fox;16418137 said:
Private companies do not and will not have access?
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This actually makes things easier for life insurers and others who need to access medical records. Currently, for life applications, an insurer will access GP records with a request direct via the GP. The proposer of the insurance has the option at this point to also view their records, or to cease the process. It is manual, and extremely time consuming for GPs. Most now charge insurers for the details.

In instances like this, making the data digital will make it more accessible. And that is a good thing.
 
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