NHS Database Opt Out

wannabedamned said:
Surely the information stored will be encrypted. The only way for people to remove the information from the system is to manually take notes?

People seem to think that hackers and viruses are going to suddenly allow people to read raw data on a centralized database?? Not a chance in hell
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exactly. but some people know bugger all about IT, don't understand about encryption and get all wound up about anyone having their details.
if you don't want to be part of this database fine. but don't come crying to ANYONE when you're notes are not where you need them.
 
AcidHell2 said:
I know you said it, where's the details. you posted a standard from with nothing abnormal on it and say it's proof.



Nothing wrong with that.

Your trying to use standard and sensible stuff to imply something untowards happening with no evidence and using as a reason to fight the system.
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Think about it for a second...once they know the details of the other person they will be asked
to go to their doc for a check up to see if they have it as well. Then that form will be filled in with their details if they have caught something and if they have, they in turn will be asked about boyfriend\hubby and so one.

Doing it that way saves the spread of loads of things accross the US and saves people money.
 
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AcidHell2 said:
Why on earth would you opt out. Doesn't he want doctors to have easy access to his medical records to save his life. They can see if you are on any medicine or allergic to anything and makes it less like to lose any records or meetings as you are passed around 10 diffrent specialists.
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This ^
 
deuse said:
Think about it for a second...once they know the details of the other person they will be asked
to go to their doc for a check up to see if they have it as well. Then that form will be filled in with their details if they have caught something and if they have, they in turn will be asked about boyfriend\hubby and so one.

Doing it that way saves the spread of loads of things accross the US and saves people money.
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More ramblings. link to evidence.

And more importantly this is not America.
 
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groen said:
The only reason they come out with is that apparently it will save lives. Which i highly doubt. Another bloated waste of money government project with zero credible justification.
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Of course it will save lives. don't you think having instant access to patient records, will help diagnosis and reduce mistakes. It will also save time. When you are transferred from one department to the next all updates will be in one place and will not need to be moved around.

Vanilla said:
Removed from what? the whole system?
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No, in regards to the public security thing. All identifying stuff will be removed.
 
How many times does not having information not save a life ? I bet it is very rare and no where near common enough to justify spending £12billion.But the real reason is not about having your medical records available if you are in a car accident. It is so they can run reports on the records and see statistics, data mining.

What about all the paper records from the past are the doctors going to input that all into the system, or is this just for future records ?
 
groen said:
How many times does not having information not save a life ? I bet it is very rare and no where near common enough to justify spending £12billion.But the real reason is not about having your medical records available if you are in a car accident. It is so they can run reports on the records and see statistics, data mining.

What about all the paper records from the past are the doctors going to input that all into the system, or is this just for future records ?
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No it won't save hundreds of lifes. it will save one. That's set up cost how much will it save over the decades. Compared to paper. How much easier is it for doctors to get as you are passed from one department to the other.

Not all data mining is evil. It can be used for medical analysis. In fatc it is invaluable for finding problem areas, improving the service and saving money.

deuse said:
I have told you what happens because I have seen it happen and if you don't want to take my word..well...
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Unfortunately From previous threads I can't take it at face value. If it is a common procedure why can you not link to an article. That's all I'm asking for.
 
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groen said:
Not a chance in hell ?

Encrypted medical records ? i seriously doubt it. Sure it will have client side authentication but once you get access, looking over your GPs shoulder when he logs in for example. You are in.
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I guess it could be as simple as password and you're in. But if thats the case then its the worst implimented security plan I've ever known.

If they're spending all this money, And going on how current security is implimented in education.

You'd be connected to a private network(intranet) with access to the database, And not any computer with a password can connect. Specific IP address ranges can connect only and then you'd need a password on top of that. Also not everyone can see all information, it would depend on their access rights. Its how it worked at the university of sheffield and its how it worked for kirklees council.
 
I bet i could connect to the GP network with a laptop, C$ to his pc, grab the VPN cert files and install a keylogger on his pc and then i am good to go. There are loads of ways to do it, if someone realy wanted to.

But that is the risk when centralizing and digitizing records like this.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Unfortunately From previous threads I can't take it at face value. If it is a common procedure why can you not link to an article. That's all I'm asking for.
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Read from "Partner Management" http://www.doh.state.fl.us/Disease_ctrl/std/clinical/2006_STD_Treatment_Guidelines.pdf

What do you do in real life if someone you don't know tells you someting? ask for a link :D

If you do ever come to the US Don't come to FL PLEASE...they will kill you in a heart beat....and trust me on that one ;)
 
groen said:
I bet i could connect to the GP network with a laptop, C$ to his pc, grab the VPN cert files and install a keylogger on his pc and then i am good to go. There are loads of ways to do it, if someone realy wanted to.

But that is the risk when centralizing and digitizing records like this.
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nope
a) you're not on the domain.
b) you've not got the admin pass for the C$ nor to install ANY software on the PC.
c) the VPN requires a dongle with a number gen, no number, no access.
d) you'll still need a login for the database system (be that PACs or whatever)

just because you can "hack" your mums laptop doesn't mean you'll be able to get anywhere with a REAL system.
also ALL GPP have AV so your keylogger WOULD be noticed and killed off.
 
No just with you and a few others.

What's wrong with any of that and how does it support your stance of opting out. It does not refer to any legal action either.
 
ill send a pdf with code injection and end up getting full rdp access to the box. Where i can install anything and from there i can slowly work my way through the vpn. Once there i can go at that network directly, who knows.

I am not even that good. Just don't come say it is completely secure when it is not. If is it on a PC then it is possible to access it.
 
deuse said:
What do you do in real life if someone you don't know tells you someting? ask for a link :D

If you do ever come to the US Don't come to FL PLEASE...they will kill you in a heart beat....and trust me on that one ;)
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Deuse, quit with this nonsense please. Firstly, unless you hadn't noticed, this is Overclockers UK - a forum based in the UK. We're talking about a UK system so all of your inane ramblings are utterly irrelevant.

Secondly, I've been to the US, about ten times. I'm surprised just how much information does get disclosed over there (make a call to 911, don't be surprised if you end up on the local news - I've seen it happen). However, I've been to Florida four times now (including visiting secure installations) and I'm still alive. I'm not exactly a picture of health either. Kindly quit with the drama llama. :)
 
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