So...you think society should pay for people to make bad, potentially fatal decisions? Not just to themselves but to others?
NHS not funding HIV preventing drug (now ordered to fund drug by court decision)
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So...you think society should pay for people to make bad, potentially fatal decisions? Not just to themselves but to others?
People make bad decisions all the time, people act stupidly all the time - it won't stop, whether the prevent drug costs £4 a month or £4000 a month, people will still do stupid things - and regret it.
Is it really fair to abandon somebody, simply because they got carried away or made a mistake? Shouldn't we try to help them? - do you not think that maybe one of the reasons we have such a high standard of living in this country, is because we don't abandon - we help, and do the best we can, wherever possible - no matter how stupid someone has been, or the cost.
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People are going to have sex, no matter what you tell them, the human body is rather clever at getting you to disregard rational thought when you've got the 'horn'
Simply saying don't do it is hardly a solution. Although I agree you shouldn't have unprotected sex with someone unless you really know them.
Also, condoms break all the time, you must have a really boring sex life
Another thing, aren't there already drugs you can take that can massively reduce your chance of catching hiv if exposed? I used to work with blood in a hospital, sometimes we'd be dealing with contaminated blood.
A woman I know was accidently cut with something contaminated with hiv blood, she was quickly given medication and she got the all clear.
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Yes, I do. Have you never made a bad decision in your life?
Actually, i would.
I knew the risks, i smoked for 25 odd years despite the warnings.
Not one that could kill others. No.
It depends. Females or homosexuals are more likely to contract it given that the tissue where the infected semen is can absorb the virus.
However if a male has intercourse with an infected female, unless there are any cuts on the penis, the chances of contracting the virus are far lower.
And how do you think your loved ones would react to that decision?
It's not about abandoning. It's about prevention.
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If it had a 100% success rate then there should be more discussion. At 90% it isn't enough to replace the alternative...
We don't know this is the case - it could legitimise risky behaviour and therefore increase the cost both financially and to the individuals concerned. Let's not forget that HIV infection is not the only risk from such practices.
What other STDs does this drug protect against I wonder ... Hep? Syphillis? Gonorrhea?
This is another case of a powerful group with powerful lobbyists backed by financial support getting to impose their will on everyone else.
I frankly don't care what these people get up to in their private lives - that is their choice but I don't want to actively pay for their choices.
Moreover, equating this to football injuries - oh dear leave it, that's such a daft comparison it does not even dignify a response.
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You gotta hand it to the NHS though
I mean selling something twenty times more expensive, and around 10% less effective than what's already available is a master stroke of lunacy
It's almost as bad as the time they spent billions on a failed IT project (buying dell pcs for £1,500 when they were £600 online)
They have to be trolling at this point, of that I am certain
I mean selling something twenty times more expensive, and around 10% less effective than what's already available is a master stroke of lunacy
It's almost as bad as the time they spent billions on a failed IT project (buying dell pcs for £1,500 when they were £600 online)
They have to be trolling at this point, of that I am certain
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Sleep around unprotected you take the risk. You won't do it again. The countries moral compass has gone haywire.
Take responsibility instead of being helped to avoid being a dick.......
Take responsibility instead of being helped to avoid being a dick.......
But then it turns into a cyclic argument (as always in GD)
You can't prevent people from going bareback, as much as the entire world would love everybody, having sex with someone of an unknown status, to be using condoms, it's never ever going to happen - there will always be people who make mistakes, are careless or are drunk or whatever, because that's what human beings are like.
If these people had access to the drug, at least it would reduce the chances of infection, it would also reduce the overall cost in the long run - because getting infected means a lifelong regime of expensive HAART treatment, which is not cheap.
As a side point, if everybody gets access to this drug - it could be a goldmine of information and evidence for the medical industry, on how to improve the drug further and end up with an actual cure for the disease.
Not sure how that is relevant to to the thread.
My loved ones would respect my decision.
You can't avoid death, and if you have accelerated the matter, then accept it.
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Hang on, if they forget to wear a condom, what's to say they'll forget to take their pills
:edit: Got it!! Assign all patients a nurse who does home visits. Sorted!
or a nurse who fits the condom for you? Much better idea
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But we aren't talking about the odd mistake here are we ... we are talking about sanctioning a pattern of behaviour.
This has gone from sensible and safe-family planning to dishing out the morning after pill daily.
If people are that irresponsible they don't make sensible decisions when truly informed of the consequences then I am not totally sure that society has a need for or an obligation towards such people.
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Does anyone know how much it costs the NHS to do a home visit?
I'm struggling with an impending migraine so can't google (need to take a break from the PC)
I'm struggling with an impending migraine so can't google (need to take a break from the PC)
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I herd the same interview, there was at lot of talk of preventing infection with this drug ie person A giving it to person B , but nothing on Person A using condoms (which are not full proof but are proven to be effective 95%+ of the time) to prevent the infection or STD in the first place. Annoyed me some what. its relay not hard to carry a condom and some of them are so thin now it feels like nothing.
Gay and straight people need to take more responsibility for there own health really.
As my mother used to say to me from my early teens "if you cant be good be careful"