Nikon 1 v1

Had a long play with one today.

Build quality is great. Interface is nice.

However shots at 1/30 in auto mode looked terrible, so much blur. I was indoors, but high end compacts don't have this problem. I suspect the stabilisation is inferior our badly programmed.

The video looked incredibly sharp though, however in manual video you can't seem to go lower than 1/100 shutter, which is pretty useless.
 
Don't forget though the pen mini (epm1?) Is better in all respects apart from video and burst mode.

Its lighter, more lenses, lighter lenses, bigger sensor and more lens selection.
 
The EPM1 is only £350ish with the kit lens :p This is a mind blowing £800 :eek:

Guess they're going after the top end EP3/GFX1/Sony NEX7? Crazy...

dpreview's studio shot comparison here.
 
The Nikon 1 cameras give wicked IQ considering, beats the m43rds cameras except at very high ISO where both cameras are useless.

Will probably buy one when the system is more mature. In theory it would be the perfect sized system with a great balance of size and IQ.
 
For the same money surely you could get something that blows that away. I do quite like the look of it though. Had a quick look at the EPM1 (quick 2minutes) and that does look like a nice camera, whats it like for lenses etc?

Not really in the market for one at the moment, just curious.
 
funguST said:
Whats it like for lenses etc?
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Currently 26 (not including 4/3 lenses or adaptors) Sigma are releasing a few soon too. http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/lense.html

D.P. said:
beats the m43rds cameras except at very high ISO where both cameras are useless.
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Maybe I'm not looking at the right reviews? Something like the EPL1 looks better even before attaching expensive glass.
Yeah, m43 is useless at high ISO :D http://soundimageplus.blogspot.com/2011/09/micro-four-thirds-is-really-rubbish-at.html
The Nikon 1 v1 looks very decent for a small camera too.
 
sarge78 said:
Currently 26 (not including 4/3 lenses or adaptors) Sigma are releasing a few soon too. http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/lense.html



Maybe I'm not looking at the right reviews? Something like the EPL1 looks better even before attaching expensive glass.
Yeah, m43 is useless at high ISO :D http://soundimageplus.blogspot.com/2011/09/micro-four-thirds-is-really-rubbish-at.html
The Nikon 1 v1 looks very decent for a small camera too.
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http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Ca.../Olympus/(appareil3)/701|0/(brand3)/Panasonic

The Nikon sensor scores better than the Olympus PEN EP3 and the same as the Panasonic Lumix DMC G3, importantly it offers a greater Dynamic range and color depth which are critical to me in my work. The high ISO scores are lower, but as I said, all such camera with small sensors suffer.
If you want a camera good high ISO performance then the Nikon D7K is a great starting point. When looking at 100% crops the noise difference between the Nikon 1 cameras and the newest M43rds is really small
 
funguST said:
For the same money surely you could get something that blows that away. I do quite like the look of it though. Had a quick look at the EPM1 (quick 2minutes) and that does look like a nice camera, whats it like for lenses etc?

Not really in the market for one at the moment, just curious.
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You could buy an entry level DSLR to get better noise performance, but then that is not the point of these cameras.
 
Isn't this the smallest SLR with a detachable lense or something gimmicky like that. Seems pretty pointless, if you want an SLR buy a full size one, if you want a point and shoot, get a point and shoot
 
^ No, it's not an SLR. There's no mirrors so it can do buffered/timestamp imaging.

D.P. said:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Ca.../Olympus/(appareil3)/701|0/(brand3)/Panasonic

The Nikon sensor scores better than the Olympus PEN EP3 and the same as the Panasonic Lumix DMC G3, importantly it offers a greater Dynamic range and color depth which are critical to me in my work. The high ISO scores are lower, but as I said, all such camera with small sensors suffer.
If you want a camera good high ISO performance then the Nikon D7K is a great starting point. When looking at 100% crops the noise difference between the Nikon 1 cameras and the newest M43rds is really small
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Interesting site.

(Mmm, the GF1 scores higher than the EP3, what's going on there? When I tested it was much better thay my GF1 :p The Olympus XZ1 gets a shocking bad score too :D)
 
while not perfect DXO is about the best there is for testign sensors under scientific methodology. And their results are definitely strongly correlated with other reviews and expert opinions.

E.g, a couple of phase one backs at the top as expected, the Nikon D3x plays with the medium format boys, as is well known and people pay big money for it. The Nikon D3s also near the top due to phenomenal low light performance that walks all over every other camera (3253). Remember, the score is just a function of the measured attributes weighted by an importance factor determined by the designers. You may favour different image attributes with different weightings

The XZ-1 gets a low score because it has a small sensor and the sensor is noticeably worse than the sensor in similar cameras such as the S95. The same results are true from other reviews, e.g. DPreview. The XZ-1 makes it up due to the lens. It is important to note that the DXOmark website ignores lenses and only analyzes the sensor attributes. The results are also given for a normalized resolution so it is fair to make comparisons with different MP sensor, e.g. if you downsized the 21MP 5DMKII and compared it to the 12MP D3s you still find the D3s is in a league of its own when compared equally at the same reproduction ratio.
 
Had a play with one this morning and I was hugely unimpressed.

The camera felt fine, image quality looked good and the speed of it was very good. But that price..........I know its new tech but it can go back to where it came from for that sort of money.

The 10-100mm lens is also £700 which is so far beyond ridiculous its not even funny.

Thanks but no thanks Nikon.
 
D.P. said:
It does seem pricy at the moment, sure it will come down to a level where it is competitive.
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The trouble is Nikon are already very late to the table. It really needs to start taking sales from established players from day one.

There are now as many (or probably more) lens standards in the CSC market as there are in the dSLR market. Considering the smaller DSLR players are looking shakey I can't see all the CSC lens standards surviving to reach maturity. I suspect Nikon might be one that goes by the wayside.

We also have to consider that Canon are yet to show their hand. They have a superb track record with consumer electronics and unless they **** it up royaly they will take business from all the other manufacturers.
 
Well, having handled one over the weekend I'm moderately impressed and slightly disappointed. Overall I think it's about the best of the compact system cameras around actually, it handles quite nicely. Big upsides are speed, AF and burst mode and seriously quick and very impressive. Big downside is manual control is as good as non existent it's so poor.

Image quality is good enough in my view, probably as good as the 4/3rds and to be honest if you care that much this isn't the market segment to be buying into.

It's too expensive, if it was £500 or so I'd buy one because, well because it's a nice toy, fits in my bag day to day and the idea of a f mount adaptor with a 2.7x crop is kinda funky.
 
K.C. Leblanc said:
The trouble is Nikon are already very late to the table. It really needs to start taking sales from established players from day one.

There are now as many (or probably more) lens standards in the CSC market as there are in the dSLR market. Considering the smaller DSLR players are looking shakey I can't see all the CSC lens standards surviving to reach maturity. I suspect Nikon might be one that goes by the wayside.

We also have to consider that Canon are yet to show their hand. They have a superb track record with consumer electronics and unless they **** it up royaly they will take business from all the other manufacturers.
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That's a remarkably one-eyed post - you could swap 'Canon' and 'Nikon' round there and it'd still be factually true. Nikon are an extremely successful company when it comes to imaging products, far more so than many of the people already in the market. Samsung are logically doomed long before Nikon for instance. That's before you touch on how immature the market is - technically we're only really on the second generation of CSCs now...
 
bigredshark said:
That's a remarkably one-eyed post - you could swap 'Canon' and 'Nikon' round there and it'd still be factually true. Nikon are an extremely successful company when it comes to imaging products, far more so than many of the people already in the market. Samsung are logically doomed long before Nikon for instance. That's before you touch on how immature the market is - technically we're only really on the second generation of CSCs now...
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I think he's right though unless Nikon commit to a huge price drop fairly soon.

There is simply no getting away from the fact that its just too over priced for what it is.

I went and had another tinker on Saturday morning in Jacobs and I just couldn't see myself owning one for that kind of money.

They also haven't sold a single unit since release from the Sheffield store which I'm not surprised by.

It feels like nothing more than a well built compact and unless the manual controls are hiding somewhere I was shocked by the lack of them.
 
It's difficult to say I think, it can be very difficult to judge a product when you're not the target audience and to be honest, nobody here is the primary target of the 1 system. It's aimed at the newcomer who just wants good photos and doesn't much care about the technology. The people who buy a D3100 and leave it in auto mode forever, they just wanted something better than a compact.

I think it still has potential there.

But yes, it's bloody expensive (I don't know how it plays in the far east / US etc) and that's a problem. Nikon have invested big time though (decent numbers of lenses, f-mount adaptor, flash, GPS etc etc) and have some cards to play - unlike anybody else except Canon they have high end technology to filter down from DSLRs into these cameras. I don't disagree about the price but I think Nikon are in for the long haul.
 
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