Nikon announce D500 flagship dx

D.P. · 7 Jan 2016 at 14:36

Jono said:
Tamron 150-600 is very good... also are you aware of the aperture weirdness on the Sigma, esp if you were considering the sport version.

http://alanhewittphotography.co.uk/...budget-tele-zooms-sigma-and-tamron-150-600mm/

The sports version is much shaper than the Tamron and moreover the focusing on the sigma Sports is well ahead of the pack.real world usage will.mean 90% of photos at 600mm f/6.3 and most of the rest at 150mm or around 400-500mm, i.e. you nearly always will be at max zoom or somewhere where the apertures are the same. It is disappointing the much heavier more expensive Sigma S is the slowest but optically it is the best.

Buy for Nikon one has to seriously consider the 200-500mm f/5.6 because it is in a newly sharp for the price.

Steve M · 7 Jan 2016 at 14:45

Richdog said:
Your anal retentiveness never ceases to amuse me. It doesn't have to be "identical" to the D5 (seriously DP, get over yourself you condescending twit ), but a higher fps certainly wouldn't go amiss, and at the moment the D810 has a great buffer but low fps, and the D750 has acceptable fps but no tangible buffer. I (and many other users from what I read) would like a happy medium of 7-8fps and a decent buffer with the D750 or preferably tweaked D810 sensor.

He has a point though

You stated: "I really think that Nikon needs a consumer FX DSLR with a higher fps and buffer to match", and he correctly point out that such a camera already exisits. The D4/D5.

Richdog · 7 Jan 2016 at 16:14

D.P. said:
Then buy the D4s second hand. If you want a high FPS, Large buffer FF camera then that is exactly what the D4/D5 is aimed at.

I would also question why you think the 7-8FPS is needed, very niche market for pro sports. The D810 does 7FPS in DX moDec around 6FPS in 1.2x crop and at least 5FPS FF. Most people couldn't really tell 5FPS vs 7FPS, much more important is things like focus tracking during Continuous shooting.

I've never had an issue with 4FPS for birds in flight or children playing.

I wouldn't buy a used D4, 16MP isn't enough for me. The D750 already has great focus tracking, so logically speaking why would that be an issue on a newer model? I want a D750/D810 with higher fps and large buffer, whether you agree with it or not is neither here nor there.

Steve M said:
He has a point though You stated: "I really think that Nikon needs a consumer FX DSLR with a higher fps and buffer to match", and he correctly point out that such a camera already exisits. The D4/D5.

It's obvious to anyone who has a basic understanding of context, and who isn't a complete pedant, what I meant.

The key word being "consumer" camera, which the D4/D5 at around 2-3x the price of a D810 (new rrp), are not.

D.P. · 7 Jan 2016 at 20:07

Richdog said:
I wouldn't buy a used D4, 16MP isn't enough for me. The D750 already has great focus tracking, so logically speaking why would that be an issue on a newer model? I want a D750/D810 with higher fps and large buffer, whether you agree with it or not is neither here nor there.

It's obvious to anyone who has a basic understanding of context, and who isn't a complete pedant, what I meant.

The key word being "consumer" camera, which the D4/D5 at around 2-3x the price of a D810 (new rrp), are not.

This just goes back to the point I made earlier, you want a D5 2-3x cheaper. Why should Nikon do that? If you want capabilities of the D5 then buy a D5.

I want a 500mm f/4.0 and would love it to cost $500 but instead it cost $10,500. That's life

Richdog · 7 Jan 2016 at 20:13

D.P. said:
This just goes back to the point I made earlier, you want a D5 2-3x cheaper. Why should Nikon do that? If you want capabilities of the D5 then buy a D5.

No D.P. you in actual fact had no valid point, I don't want a D5 cheaper. The D5 has a custom sensor and massively upgraded AF, which you are ignoring while trying to do your usual devils advocate spiel.

I would be happy with a D810 sensor with an upgraded D750-esque AF module and higher FPS in FX mode. That does not equal a D5, and you have no clue what Nikon will release next to update either of those cameras. Higher FPS is very likely in a new prosumer update/replacement for the D810 as many users have been asking for it and the new EXSPEED5 processor can support it.

D.P. · 7 Jan 2016 at 20:33

The D5 shares the same AF with the D500, the D4 shares the same AF withe D800 and D750. The D810 has a. Udtom sensor.

What you are asking for us a D5 for the same price as a D750. Nikon did that withe D700 and it was costly mistake for them.

Richdog · 7 Jan 2016 at 20:39

D.P. said:
The D5 shares the same AF with the D500, the D4 shares the same AF withe D800 and D750. The D810 has a. Udtom sensor.

What you are asking for us a D5 for the same price as a D750. Nikon did that withe D700 and it was costly mistake for them.

No, I would be looking for it at the same price as the D810, hence why I was talking about updating/replacing the D810.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 8 Jan 2016 at 01:49

Shooting impressions with the D500:

http://www.ishootshows.com/2016/01/...n-assignment-with-the-nikon-d500-and-sb-5000/

Richdog · 8 Jan 2016 at 02:57

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Shooting impressions with the D500:

http://www.ishootshows.com/2016/01/...n-assignment-with-the-nikon-d500-and-sb-5000/

While I know the guy is an advert for Nikon in this instance, it does look like an absolutely amazing camera with FX low light performance in a compact body. If independent reviews are what I think they will be I will be very tempted to pick one up in a few months . The price is also very reasonable imo.

Columbo · 8 Jan 2016 at 07:28

Just seen the price for this, just under £1800!
While I understand that this has some new tech, that is just ridiculous.

Richdog · 8 Jan 2016 at 07:59

Columbo said:
Just seen the price for this, just under £1800!
While I understand that this has some new tech, that is just ridiculous.

It's a third of the price of the D5, and the same bleeding edge sensor and AF wrapped in a smaller DX format. I think that's not so ridiculous, considering the tech and target market. The price will also likely fall over the next few months.

If you want a cheaper and great DX then buy a 7100/7200, as those are still excellent.

Spleen Sauce · 8 Jan 2016 at 08:40

For that sort of money I'd go for the D750 every day of the week, I don't care if it has the latest sensor tech I'll take full frame over DX every time.

D.P. · 8 Jan 2016 at 08:44

Richdog said:
It's a third of the price of the D5, and the same bleeding edge sensor and AF wrapped in a smaller DX format. I think that's not so ridiculous, considering the tech and target market. The price will also likely fall over the next few months.

If you want a cheaper and great DX then buy a 7100/7200, as those are still excellent.

I agree the price is fine but the sensor is totally different to the D5, the just happen to have the same MP.

D.P. · 8 Jan 2016 at 08:47

Spleen Sauce said:
For that sort of money I'd go for the D750 every day of the week, I don't care if it has the latest sensor tech I'll take full frame over DX every time.

Depends entirelynwhatbyoubshoot, sports wildlife etc. Then a higher pixel.density DX sensor makes a lot of sense, will give more detail on a subject for a given lens and the lens is the limiting factor in most people budget or ergononics. Not many people can afford 12k for a 600mm f/4 and even less people want to carry one around.

Richdog · 8 Jan 2016 at 08:50

D.P. said:
I agree the price is fine but the sensor is totally different to the D5, the just happen to have the same MP.

I meant that it's a custom designed solution that represents the bleeding edge for DX, same principle as the D5 for FX. Clearly the sensor isn't the exact same.

darwin1859 · 8 Jan 2016 at 09:56

ISO 1640000?

Steve M · 8 Jan 2016 at 10:16

Spleen Sauce said:
For that sort of money I'd go for the D750 every day of the week, I don't care if it has the latest sensor tech I'll take full frame over DX every time.

Yep. My thoughts exactly, especially as personally I don't do wildlife or sports and have no need for bigger buffer/more FPS. D750 is a very well rounded FX camera.

Although it's not for eveyone, I can deffo see the attraction of the D500 though and the price versus the D5 must be very compelling to the market it's aimed at. This will sell very well and Nikon will have a formidable DSLR lineup.

Spleen Sauce · 8 Jan 2016 at 11:29

D.P. said:
Depends entirelynwhatbyoubshoot, sports wildlife etc. Then a higher pixel.density DX sensor makes a lot of sense, will give more detail on a subject for a given lens and the lens is the limiting factor in most people budget or ergononics. Not many people can afford 12k for a 600mm f/4 and even less people want to carry one around.

Yeah true that.

Richdog · 8 Jan 2016 at 11:39

Steve M said:
Yep. My thoughts exactly, especially as personally I don't do wildlife or sports and have no need for bigger buffer/more FPS. D750 is a very well rounded FX camera.

Although it's not for eveyone, I can deffo see the attraction of the D500 though and the price versus the D5 must be very compelling to the market it's aimed at. This will sell very well and Nikon will have a formidable DSLR lineup.

I love my D750 in terms of the consistency of the images I get, but the buffer is a bummer for me as it really is tiny and fills up after around 11 shots at 14-bit RAW. That's around 2 seconds of action before it slows to a crawl.

Steve M · 8 Jan 2016 at 12:11

Yeah, it's not great in that respect. Flog it and get the D500