^^^^^ 100% this.
NIP for reg spacing
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^^^^^ 100% this.
Especially if they're Wolfrace yeahYou're totally entitled to your opinion; however the simple fact is - plates are made to an exacting standard to enable/simplify/make more effective the ANPR systems. Spacing does help this. Just like the correct font and sizing helps it.
Also, incorrectly spaced plates are as bad as black wheels, right?
It's just the front plate that was missing, the system could potentially have read the rear plate dependent on what angles were available.
It would have to be quite sophisticated to be fully automated though, don't you think? It needs to be taking both front and rear photos of each car, then linking those images together - without the benefit of an identifying mark, since there's no plate on the front. It needs to be confident that there's no front plate, rather than that it just failed to recognise one...
I just didn't know that the automated systems went any further than taking a picture of the car, running the plate, and highlighting if there was a problem with the legality of that car being on the road.
For sure it would be possible, Computer Vision is quite good now but I don't know if that would be leveraged by ANPR. Even so, I imagine they have some offline review facility where an admin bod can pair up images of a rare car like a Ferrari taken within a very small space of time on the same road.
Please provide a single documented example of any UK insurer invalidating someone’s car insurance solely due to a mis-spaced plate, better yet the ombudsman’s published judgement upholding the un-writing of the policy as it would be the talk of the motoring and likely mainstream press along with the perfect excuse for compo face.
In general terms, enforcement policy (rightly or wrongly) seemingly varies by force area, I can’t help but feel that it would be better if DVLA offered people the option to alter where the space appears and charged an administration fee for doing so, while police enforcement was standardised and the penalty system moved to tiered strike system for non compliance, say £250 first offence, £500 the second time and £1,000 for the third plus the plate being withdrawn and you having to pay to re-register the car and have it inspected prior to going back on the road. That would increase revenue, reduce offending and re-offending and result in repeat offenders actually being punished. Realistically £100 every 15 years isn’t going to strike fear into private plate owners, it’s just another cost of motoring.
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Paying to shift the space seems reasonable to me, if the DVLA are so insistent on there being a space anyway.
The NIP telling me that my reg spacing was incorrect just listed my reg with no spaces at all!
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Dream on. The cost of implementing a system so some chav can make his plate say his name?
They don't. It can do a few clever things but it wouldn't 'read' the front of the car if there's no plate in the first place, so it would never be captured.
Well now I don't know who to believe!
I'm going to believe you, because you agreed with me.
What a load of petty nonsense. Some of the butthurt triggered comments in here are hilarious. I draw the line at black/yellow/white screws to change the numbering, but when did a incorrectly spaced plate do any serious harm to anyone.
Whereas I see the butthurt people being the ones who say "why can't I break the clearly defined law?". Using your logic, what serious harm is being caused by using "black/yellow/white screws to change the numbering"?
You seem to be ignoring that the system already does what I am suggesting on a daily basis against multiple other vehicle types flagged for various other reasons. How do you think the emergency services get away with going through speed cameras and red lights without NIP’s being generated (though last I knew a report is generated and sent over, but not an actual NIP). Realistically £100 is just not an effective deterrent and the odds of being hit are pretty minimal.
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Threads like these do make me laugh. It's funny how some people seem to think a registration plate is there so they can express themselves and be creative, whilst it's more like a barcode and therefore it makes perfect sense to have standards. I personally think that there's no reason why plates shouldn't be made by the DVLA and restrict anyone else from making them.
So this is worth highlighting. The process is pretty much as @Resident describes, with the addition that even if you spent thousands of pounds on the 'personalised' registration from the DVLA, you get no refund.
Any fixed-penalties aren't kept by the police, it's goes straight to the Treasury. There are no quotas, no incentives.
The reasons there is nothing asking you to take remedial action are
a) the expectation is that you would do this anyway, that's common sense and
b) the fixed penalty is a process whereby the police say "pay the fine and we won't prosecute you at court". The other option is to issue a VDRS (Vehicle Defect Rectification Scheme), which is basically "fix this and we won't prosecute you at court". An officer gets to choose which one to issue, they can't do both.
So this is worth highlighting. The process is pretty much as @Resident describes, with the addition that even if you spent thousands of pounds on the 'personalised' registration from the DVLA, you get no refund.
Any fixed-penalties aren't kept by the police, it's goes straight to the Treasury. There are no quotas, no incentives.
The reasons there is nothing asking you to take remedial action are
a) the expectation is that you would do this anyway, that's common sense and
b) the fixed penalty is a process whereby the police say "pay the fine and we won't prosecute you at court". The other option is to issue a VDRS (Vehicle Defect Rectification Scheme), which is basically "fix this and we won't prosecute you at court". An officer gets to choose which one to issue, they can't do both.
You're deliberately changing the letter or number.
What are you doing by moving a space? The number plate still says 123 ABC. Instead of 123A BC.
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Do you write your postcode in a speshul way too?