Yeah stick it to the man.
Don't think too hard about the value of the hardware you're risking, focus on the quest.
Noctua not supporting TR4 socket with existing coolers.
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Yeah stick it to the man.
Don't think too hard about the value of the hardware you're risking, focus on the quest.
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Yes, thank you. If I were working for Noctua my position on this issue would be exactly yours.
I once had a fairly lengthy email correspondence with Noctua which went from RMA to just shooting the breeze with some guy in Austria and their pursuit of perfection became very evident to me from this conversation.
Also, the beginning of this convo was when Noctua replaced for me an NF-P14 fan that was six years old that I had no receipt or proof of purchase for whatsoever. I emailed and said "Hey, My NFP14 that I bought 6 years ago is sort of rattling a bit can you send me a new one? I have no receipt" and literally their first email was "What is your mailing address". They are a solid company. Funny footnote, they had me destroy the defective fan on camera and send them the footage which I thought was hilarious.
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Yes, I'm sure a cooler capable of easily handling 220w CPUs will magically start struggling with a 180w one now, what a risk
Yes, I'm sure a cooler capable of easily handling 220w CPUs will magically start struggling with a 180w one now, what a risk
Oh no, that's not the risk, I'm entirely sure there's enough heat dissipation even if it's below desired contact area. It'll be worse temps than the made-for-TR coolers at worst.
AMD themselves are giving out Asetek cooler brackets with the cpus to fit Asetek style AIO round cooler heads.
I'm thinking about the mechanical risks to the cpu and motherboard by home making a bracket to fit a large air cooler on.
Ahh I get you, don't worry I have all the relevant machinery and knowledge to manufacture a curved piece of metal with two holes and a threaded spike lol. It is somewhat ironic that my 10 year old Asetek cooler is supported on TR4 but not my 12 month old NH-D15 lol.
Not ironic at all.
Asetek base is just a big flat area that his below pump and motor, so no reason to make it nice and square like on air coolers.
Asetek's claim to fame is that it patented the concept of a pump mounted on a waterblock, not that their design is any good.
Considering Asetek quality and lack of improvement of product over the years I have to wonder how good they will perform on TR4.
Is the inside of their waterblock really designed for TR4 or is it similar in size to air cooler base size?
Or is Asetek giving AMD a kickback for including the Asetek mount?
If someone can tell me the size of Asetek cold plate / base copper circle I can scale images of disassembled system and tell you the area of microfins on it.
Edit: If Asetek CLC have big enough cold plate I suspec other waterblocks are also big enough for TR4. If they are then H2O companies will be supplying mounts for existing blocks. .. |I know some are. How big are their bases and microfin areas?
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It's been done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpvGYxaMLc0
The microfin area is mostly covering the empty cross space between cores.
The entire contact surface doesn't even cover the entire core area let alone the heat spreader.
Not so crazy to make a new cooler for threadripper.
I didn't watch whole video, but did find where he sets the Asetek base onto TR4. Way to small .. looks even smaller than Noctua base would be.
https://youtu.be/QpvGYxaMLc0?t=1204
Seems my guess is correct, Asetek is padding someone's pockets to supply a TR4 mount to their undersized cooler base with these new CPUs
You don't see the irony in a 1 year old cooler which is fully capable of handling the CPU and more not being supported yet a 10 year old cooler which doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of handling it being supported?
You don't see the irony in a 1 year old cooler which is fully capable of handling the CPU and more not being supported yet a 10 year old cooler which doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of handling it being supported?
Not in an industry that development and release of new products is as fast as computer industry is.
I don't think Noctua has a crystal ball and can see what will be marketed a year from now.
If you were to design and market a new cooler today can you be sure it will work on new products a year from now?
I couldn't.
TR4 is massively bigger than any previous CPU has been.
All other CPUs have approx 40x40mm IHSs
TR4 has approx 67x49mm IHs
Here is Asstek CLC base on TR4 IHS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpvGYxaMLc0&feature=youtu.be&t=1204
No offense but I think you need to read the thread, the issue isn't that the NH-D15 isn't capable of working with TR4 and cooling it fine, it is. The issue is that Noctua are refusing to release fitting kits for it (despite claiming it would be supported on new CPUs for the foreseeable future) forcing us to make our own or for out another £80+ to them for a new cooler. Now this isn't an issue for me but not everyone own a metalwork shop lol.
And like I said, it's ironic that support won't be available for this cooler yet it will for my 10 year old Asetek that struggled with an overclocked Q9650 lol.
No offence taken .. and no offence, but the reason Noctua is not supplying TR4 mounts is because they do not think their cooler base is big enough to do a proper job on TR4 IHS. I think Noctua is better qualified to determine if their NH-D15 cooler is properly designed for TR4 than you or Asstek is. The D15 does support all CPUs out except TR4 .. and when Noctua designed the D15 the TR4 was in the 'foreseeable future.' Noctua had now way of knowing AMD would release a CPU that is twice the physical size of everything else on the market. The D15 was first released like three or more years ago. Who would have thought a CPU as big as TR4 would ever be made back then? I sure didn't.
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Are all the other cooler companies releasing upgrade brackets and it's just Noctua that are saying no?
Because until they all do, I'd follow Noctua's advice on what their kit will and will not work with.
The IHS isn't really relevant from a coverage POV, it's only there to shield the CPU from excessive pressure so idiots don't break it by overtightening the cooler (same as the four rubber bump stops on the Athlon XP). The CPU dies on TR cover a ~30x55mm area, and while the base plate on the NH-D15 is only ~46mm2 resulting in a 4.5mm underlap at the long edges, that won't really result in a measurable difference to if they were completely covered, because the IHS does cover them.
It's complicated but basically you are not going to end up with a situation where a amall % of the die is noticeably hotter than the rest when under a heat spreader that's under the contact plate of a gigantic heatpipe cooler. Yes the NH-D15 would perform better if it covered the complete die area, but we're talking less than a whole degree better. It's by no means cause to warrant not supporting TR4.
You are correct, the IHS is pretty much there for what you said it is.
You are also correct about the approximate size of TR4 die rectangle.
But you are incorrect about the size of D15 contact area.
And not covering all of the CPU dies with cooler base is problematic.
The total size of D15 base is 45x42mm,
but the contact area is recessed in from sides of overall base and measures 38x40mm (W x D w/ front to back airflow). I measured the base with digital caliper so measurements are only accurate to +/- 0.1mm.
NH-D15 base contact area is 38x40mm (WxD w/ front to back airflow)
Approx. TR4 4x die contact area 30x55mm (W x D)
NH-D15 base is about 15mm short on long side of TR4 die area.
That means with NH-D15 mounted with front to back airflow would leave the end 7.5mm each TR4 die uncovered.
I suspect that is why Noctua is not modifying or making a D15 mount for TR4
Have you looked at the Noctua NH-U14S TR4 SP3 and noticed now much bigger it's base is?
The U14S TR4 has a bigger base to cover the TR4 IHS.
While the IHS does not spread heat but very little the thick copper base of coolers does.
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Thier desktop platform is one socket, they said nothing about hedt.
Actually I think reading up elsewhere the problem isn't due to thermal transfer but potential load bearing - the IHS is designed to be load bearing on the uprights and sealant on the edges and compression of the space between the IHS and dies themselves should only go so far so as not to risk damage to the dies. When the weight of the cooling is concentrated into a smaller area in the middle of the IHS surface area this puts more of the load over the cores directly, increasing compression of the core area, with less load taken by the parts of the IHS designed to take the load.