Am i the only one who likes the Noctua colour scheme?
actually i quite like it too, it gets a lot of stick becuase it isnt blue and black with LED's like all other computer components!
Noctua to release new High End cooling solution.
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actually i quite like it too, it gets a lot of stick becuase it isnt blue and black with LED's like all other computer components!
No idea to be honest mate as they seemed to appear out of nowhere lol. I'd hope they have a good amount more performance than say the H60 I own due to the increase in price over it (£30+ more expensive) but who knows.
I can't get my head around all these new coolers out on the market. I think I've lost the track of whatever comes on top or value for money ages ago.
I still remember the times when Scythe Mugen 2 was considered one of the best choices and was one of those air-coolers that could get away with cooling passively.
Not so long ago Prolimatech Megahalems and Thermalright Venomous-X were considered two best air-coolers on the market. Now we've got a dozen more copies of these and I'm not really sure if they are any improvement on them or not. Are they all just duplicates of the same design packed in a shinier box?
There were other worthwhile coolers like Silver Arrow and NH-D14 but these seemed really bulky at the time. Are any of the new coolers better than those or is every new cooler trying to take part of the mainstream cooling market?
I was going to upgrade to one of this from my failed purchase of Zalman CNPS10X Extreme two years ago but there didn't seem to be anything on the market that would warrant the purchase without spending lots of money on it. Every review that has its results puts it up with the best albeit there's no way to change the fan or add another one and it's really noisy with the fan on max.
I've got a pre-order on the Corsair H100 now, it was only £80 and that seemed like a bargain.
I still remember the times when Scythe Mugen 2 was considered one of the best choices and was one of those air-coolers that could get away with cooling passively.
Not so long ago Prolimatech Megahalems and Thermalright Venomous-X were considered two best air-coolers on the market. Now we've got a dozen more copies of these and I'm not really sure if they are any improvement on them or not. Are they all just duplicates of the same design packed in a shinier box?
There were other worthwhile coolers like Silver Arrow and NH-D14 but these seemed really bulky at the time. Are any of the new coolers better than those or is every new cooler trying to take part of the mainstream cooling market?
I was going to upgrade to one of this from my failed purchase of Zalman CNPS10X Extreme two years ago but there didn't seem to be anything on the market that would warrant the purchase without spending lots of money on it. Every review that has its results puts it up with the best albeit there's no way to change the fan or add another one and it's really noisy with the fan on max.
I've got a pre-order on the Corsair H100 now, it was only £80 and that seemed like a bargain.
the BQ darkrock pro performs similarly to the h70 and is SILENT.
the h70 is LOUD so any cooler beats it in that department. even an akasa venom is quieter/cheaper and performs nearly the same.
add to that the BQ is a very nice looking cooler and is superbly made like all bequiet stuff.
here is my case in point.
Antec Kúhler H2O/H50 and Thermalright Silver Arrow
the aircooler here is better made, quieter and performs better for the same money.
H60 and the Genesis/Dark Rock Pro
h60 and genesis are both the same price, you do need to buy fans for the genesis which can add another £10-£20 to the price but the genesis easily outperforms the h60.
Regardless, the dark rock pro is cheaper, quieter and outperforms the h60.
H70, H80, H100 and Antec Kúhler H2O 920 are all £80+
and I would take a Noctua NH-D14 with one viper fan over them all for less money.
obviously, closed loop coolers are a part of the market that appeal to some people and i can understand that they are a good option to have. especially for system integration as they are superb for transit. but i just think they can be a little overpriced for what they are considering the capabilities of air coolers that cost less and are better quality. in my personal opinion, they are too expensive for what you get in terms of quality and performance.
just saying
rjkoneill, have you tested the H100 yet and if so, what is your opinion on it, e.g. can it be competitive against the high-end coolers you've mentioned or is it just another flop from the closed w/c loops family?
Not asking for details as I know you're under NDA.
Not asking for details as I know you're under NDA.
i've got 4 Noctua case fans and a D14. I would never, NEVER, want them to change their signature colour scheme.
i will say though that the corners of these new fans does spoil the look though.
btw are these new fans like the silverstone air penetrators?
i will say though that the corners of these new fans does spoil the look though.
btw are these new fans like the silverstone air penetrators?
no, but [enters speculation mode] the rad is only a single thickness rad. same thickness as a h50
so its essentially double the area.
the h70 is twice as thick as the h50 rad so i am assuming that performance will be on par with the h70.
i will be very surprised if it is better than any of the air coolers i have mentioned above. or more specifically, £30+ better.
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Love the quality of Noctua kit, got a Noctua NH-U12Ps in three of the PCs here. Been tempted by the current Noctua NH-D14 but it just looks soo big!
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The closed loop Corsair things are rubbish, a poor representation of water cooling doesn't make cheap watercooling bad.
The thing that makes liquid cooling better than aircooling is very simple, ability to transfer heat elsewhere, if you move it somewhere with a crap small rad, then you haven't gained anything, but that same pump and cpu block can also move the water to a triple sized rad, the problem being cases aren't all designed for it and Corsair aren't making them, but they can, and will, and cases will become more standard for including that type of radiator at which point yes, a presealed unit will trounce anything the best heatsink can do.
The limitation of a normal heatsink is heat transportation, heatpipes won't transfer an infinate amount of heat, they have weight and need to be physically connected to the heatsink to transfer the heat, theres only so much weight a mobo will safely take and only so much size you can have in the specific location above the mobo. Case design can help here, different shapes, having a "desktop" style case of old with the mobo flat.
I've always been a big hater of watercooling inside a case anyway, a case with a removeable section, have companies pre make rad boxes with 1-2 triple sized rads, a pump and silent fans in. This should be standard, shoehorning rads into cases is exactly the thing that water and almost unlimited transportation of the heat can completely negate yet so many people want to jam the radiators into a case.
Anyway thats a little more extreme, if Corsair coupled their current unit to a triple rad outside the case, or a swiftech style rad with pump embedded, again outside the case you'd get immensely better cooling with an increase in cost but not a massive increase.
What we've needed for ages is instead of a couple holes for watercooling tubes, an actually removeable slide in piece so you can use presealed systems, you slide part of the case side out, put the tubes in the holes, and slide the piece back into place which holds the tubes in place, simple.
The thing that makes liquid cooling better than aircooling is very simple, ability to transfer heat elsewhere, if you move it somewhere with a crap small rad, then you haven't gained anything, but that same pump and cpu block can also move the water to a triple sized rad, the problem being cases aren't all designed for it and Corsair aren't making them, but they can, and will, and cases will become more standard for including that type of radiator at which point yes, a presealed unit will trounce anything the best heatsink can do.
The limitation of a normal heatsink is heat transportation, heatpipes won't transfer an infinate amount of heat, they have weight and need to be physically connected to the heatsink to transfer the heat, theres only so much weight a mobo will safely take and only so much size you can have in the specific location above the mobo. Case design can help here, different shapes, having a "desktop" style case of old with the mobo flat.
I've always been a big hater of watercooling inside a case anyway, a case with a removeable section, have companies pre make rad boxes with 1-2 triple sized rads, a pump and silent fans in. This should be standard, shoehorning rads into cases is exactly the thing that water and almost unlimited transportation of the heat can completely negate yet so many people want to jam the radiators into a case.
Anyway thats a little more extreme, if Corsair coupled their current unit to a triple rad outside the case, or a swiftech style rad with pump embedded, again outside the case you'd get immensely better cooling with an increase in cost but not a massive increase.
What we've needed for ages is instead of a couple holes for watercooling tubes, an actually removeable slide in piece so you can use presealed systems, you slide part of the case side out, put the tubes in the holes, and slide the piece back into place which holds the tubes in place, simple.
From what I gather, the H100 has 8% larger volume (27mm x 2 vs 50mm), it's also spread over a larger area improving heat dissipation. It uses a better pump than the H70, supposedly better fans (never trust them on this one) and an upgraded waterblock.
I haven't got much faith in closed watercooling loops beating high-end air-coolers just yet but if any could be attempting at that, it would be the Corsair H100.
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Hmm, really interesting thread. Been looking at a closed loop all in one WC setup recently. Just fancy a change to my Titan Fenrir but having read some reviews of coolers like the Antec Kuhler 620 was quite disappointed. Also been looking at the H60 but again their performance isn't really anything to write home about when you compare it to other £30-50 coolers.
Will be interesting to see how the Corsair H100 performs but unfortunately I doubt it'd fit in my case (CM690 Dominator).
The case also won't house the largest of the air coolers like the Noctua or BeQuiet so at a bit of a loss at what to do now.
The Titan Fenrir will be popped into our other machine as the stock AMD fan is a bit noisy so won't be binned.
My i7 920 currently is a 4GHz but in the winter months was happily at 4.4GHz (HT disabled) or 4.2GHz with HT and temperatures maxed out about 80-85c during prime95 so would really fancy pushing it a bit more with a decent cooler.
Will be interesting to see how the Corsair H100 performs but unfortunately I doubt it'd fit in my case (CM690 Dominator).
The case also won't house the largest of the air coolers like the Noctua or BeQuiet so at a bit of a loss at what to do now.
The Titan Fenrir will be popped into our other machine as the stock AMD fan is a bit noisy so won't be binned.
My i7 920 currently is a 4GHz but in the winter months was happily at 4.4GHz (HT disabled) or 4.2GHz with HT and temperatures maxed out about 80-85c during prime95 so would really fancy pushing it a bit more with a decent cooler.
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