Noise camera trial starts in Bradford today.

Firestar_3x said:
Meeting the noise regs and acceptable noise levels / responsible driving in town / city streets are two very different things.

I'm not sure using the defense of "The car has been certified to meet noise levels" whilst driving through town WOT in 1st, is a good defense.

I imagine any stock car driven responsibly for the surrounding wouldn't result in the driver getting a fine.
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I guess it will really depend how sensitive said cameras are, classic cars could for sure be at risk especially the old 2/3 speed automatics, but generally I agree most cars driven in a city as per how you would expect a car to be driven in a city should not be breaking the sound limits. I guess it will also catch all the people driving around in a lot of unroadworthy stuff with broken exhaust as well.

Me personally it is likely never going to impact I rarely visit a city and if I am going into a city I will generally take the Yaris.

They should put these noise meters in London, their is a huge collection of super and hyper cars there, all running de-cats making an absolute racket, so if they want to earn plenty of money they will.
 
jaybee said:
Points taken but I think it's a big ask to expect plod to go round selectively tackling pop bang maps given how stretched their resources are these days as it is. It was always going to have to be a blanket noise measurement thing. Frankly my sympathy meter is only reading 1 out of 100 for all those with genuinely stock cars which so happen to emit sounds close to the limit, given they will be typically expensive, fast cars such as yours Gibbo! ;)
You could always go and buy an electric vehicle that will be silently faster. :)
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Electric car owners are amongst the worse, see plenty of Tesla flying in the local 30 and 40's clearly in some cases doing nearly double the limit.
Not for me however, they do nothing for me, if and when the time comes I need something like that I will buy one, but I will always have some truly special in the garage which has a dirty gas guzzling engine. :)
 
Gibbo said:
Electric car owners are amongst the worse, see plenty of Tesla flying in the local 30 and 40's clearly in some cases doing nearly double the limit.
Not for me however, they do nothing for me, if and when the time comes I need something like that I will buy one, but I will always have some truly special in the garage which has a dirty gas guzzling engine. :)
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They can drive down roads near me at 2am at silly speeds if they do it silently :)
 
There are two issues here. One objective and one subjective. If you can show the car has the original manufacturer's type approved exhaust system fitted in an unmodified condition you should be fine.

Subjectively the rozzers may decide the vehicle, despite having a stock exhaust system, is being driven in a manner to create unnecessary noise. That is the interesting one that the legal profession will like.

The former issue is one people in the motor trade like myself will enjoy as many owners will have to, or decide to, have a stock (or at least a much quieter) exhaust systems fitted, in order to save needless hassle and costs, and some cars with aftermarket ECU's will need them remapping to remove or modify the overrun exhaust backfire map. Both scenarios will help me pay the electric bill and more :)
 
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jaybee said:
They can drive down roads near me at 2am at silly speeds if they do it silently :)
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Until they kill someone, the problem is when they are doing it in built up areas and the public are stepping out into the road because they have failed to look, simply because they thought there was no car present, yes the fault is with the member of public for not looking but at same time there is always responsibility on the driver to be driving within the speed limit and aware of potential hazards, such as numpties just stepping out into the road, even more so if your driving a car people generally cannot hear.

Maybe it is different though if a member of the public is hit by a boy racer with his pops and bangs going off at 30mph, he will be lynched, but when someone is ran over by an EV driver doing 50mph, no one will bat an eyelid as the member of public should have looked both ways before crossing, because silence is all that matters. ;)


Chris Wilson said:
There are two issues here. One objective and one subjective. If you can show the car has the original manufacturer's type approved exhaust system fitted in an unmodified condition you should be fine.

Subjectively the rozzers may decide the vehicle, despite having a stock exhaust system, is being driven in a manner to create unnecessary noise. That is the interesting one that the legal profession will like.

The former issue is one people in the motor trade like myself will enjoy as many owners will have to, or decide to, have a stock (or at least a much quieter) exhaust systems fitted, in order to save needless hassle and costs, and some cars with aftermarket ECU's will need them remapping to remove or modify the overrun exhaust backfire map. Both scenarios will help me pay the electric bill and more :)
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Well I doubt a camera can decide on whether vehicle was been driven in a poor manner as the rozzers are too stretched so are hoping to rely on cameras.

Well the motor trade will need it because the motor trade for loud exhaust, remaps is currently a very lucrative business, so those in said trades best be hoping they will see similar demand for silent exhaust and removal of backfire maps.

Interesting times ahead, probably a good job I don't own a Mustang any more with the worlds loudest exhaust system. :D
 
Gibbo said:
What happens if you own say a factory stock car and it sets of these said noise limits, still getting fined or whatever consequence is, seems somewhat unfair if said cameras start issuing fines to people who are driving stock legal cars. Examples could be an old classic car, TVR, modern V8 or supercar or a Jaguar F-Type V6/V8.
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You would hope that there is some human intervention in the decision process rather than car noise went over Y dB limit but, i don't think that's the case (given past technology used). As you say, i think a lot of folk will be unjustifiably getting fined and then having to go through the process of fighting it.

Black Noir said:
They're trying to tackle to symptom and not the cause imo.

Make after-market mods that cause pops and bangs illegal whilst working with the car makers to limit the noise generated in the first place.
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Get out of here with your sensible ideas!
Although i'm not sure you'll ever be able to cull the aftermarket tuning side of it whilst you have **** like DMO and Ricky LLF around.

dLockers said:
Uh-oh. Glad I don't have a S59 and a Lambo and live in the area.
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If your car is noisy, modified or not, you can always drive in a way that doesn't make a racket, especially in areas where you cause noise nuisance. It's called being considerate.
 
sigma said:
If your car is noisy, modified or not, you can always drive in a way that doesn't make a racket, especially in areas where you cause noise nuisance. It's called being considerate.
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These guys wear backwards caps and use the word “fam”, you think they are the type to care what people think? The very fact they have these "look at me" types of mods says they are the kind of person who wants attention.
 
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Gibbo said:
You got a link to said video, I cannot find any recent Jayemm video with a Speciale.
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I am having an existential crisis now - I DEFINITELY watched a video that appeared on my YT home page yesterday about JayEmm and Speciale's...........can't find it!
 
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LiE said:
These guys wear backwards caps and use the word “fam”, you think they are the type to care what people think? The very fact they have these "look at me" types of mods says they are the kind of person who wants attention.
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Around here it's more the big beard and vaping types.

My comment was more aimed at this forums users though. If your car is noisy it's not hard to drive sensibly.
 
Gibbo said:
What happens if you own say a factory stock car and it sets of these said noise limits, still getting fined or whatever consequence is, seems somewhat unfair if said cameras start issuing fines to people who are driving stock legal cars. Examples could be an old classic car, TVR, modern V8 or supercar or a Jaguar F-Type V6/V8.
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Hell even my MGB "pops and bangs" on downshifts but it is perfectly tuned (paid an expert for half a day to tune it properly).
 
Here's where I see an issue with the technology.

3 cars, driving along together, one has an exhaust above the limit. Camera takes a pic of all three.
NIP is sent (at which point you are being CHARGED for the offence) yet the police have only circumstantial evidence. They cannot then come test your car to gather evidence to support that charge, it needs to have been presented at the moment you are charged.
Since they cannot prove at the moment you were charged which vehicle it was then the court is going to throw out the case.
 
Resident said:
Here's where I see an issue with the technology.

3 cars, driving along together, one has an exhaust above the limit. Camera takes a pic of all three.
NIP is sent (at which point you are being CHARGED for the offence) yet the police have only circumstantial evidence. They cannot then come test your car to gather evidence to support that charge, it needs to have been presented at the moment you are charged.
Since they cannot prove at the moment you were charged which vehicle it was then the court is going to throw out the case.
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Okay here's another one - imagine you let rip a really loud fart just as you are going through and it just so happens your daughter has been gifted a megaphone. It's a Thursday and the rain is beating down, perfect conditions to amplify the sound to monumental proportions.

They cannot then come test your car to gather evidence to support that charge, it needs to have been presented at the moment you are charged.
Since they cannot prove at the moment you were charged which vehicle it was then the court is going to throw out the case.

How many more edge cases that fail Pareto can we invent?
 
Just like illegal spacing number plates most people choose to have it, I used to have a Supra with a straight pipe and it set off other people car alarm when step on the loud paddle. We always knew we could get pulled over and fined but we still do it. If enough of those noise camera are live and working then people will choose not to get fined for it I suppose.
 
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