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Ironmalk

Ironmalk

Ironmalk

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Hi Guys,

Well after 7 or so years of blistering beast gaming from my i7 950 OC to 3.9 and GTX680 :) its time to take the plunge and go get a new one...

I am completely out of touch with what's new save for a few YouTube vids and google searches. Could you guys help me out.

My budget is 2000 pounds.

What I want:-

Effortless 1080p ultra settings gaming.
SSD os drive
2 x 2tb second and third drives
Some minor photoshop stuff
Some game modding applications

What I think I need:-

16gb Ram
GTX 1080 ti (not for 1080p admittedly but in case I go QHD later on)
Quad Core CPU - not sure which one.

I was looking at the Battlebox ultimate from this site. I'm not sure what gfx card I really need for future proofing. Also should I wait for Coffee Lake or go Ryzen?

if anyone can help I would be great appreciative.

Many thanks guys

Ironmalk
 
@Ironmalk

sorry lifted from another thread post this morning as im to lazy- all from OCUK

nvidia graphics


My basket at Overclockers UK:
1 x AMD Ryzen 5 Six Core 1600 3.60GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £188.99
1 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD416G30= £119.50
1 x Seagate BarraCuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM (ST2000DM006)= £59.99
1 x Crucial MX300 525GB SSD M2 2280 6Gbps 3D Nand Solid State Drive (CT525MX300SSD4)= £149.99
1 x Zotac GeForce GTX 1080Ti AMP Edition 11264MB GDDR5X PCI-Express Graphics Card (ZT-P10810D-10P)= £659.99
1 x Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3 AMD B350 (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £101.99
1 x Phanteks Eclipse P300 Glass Midi Tower Case - Black= £54.95
1 x ID-Cooling FrostFlow+ 240 All In One CPU Water Cooler - 240mm= £49.99
1 x XFX XTR Series 750W 80 Plus Gold Fully Modular Power Supply= £119.99

Total: £1,517.98
(includes shipping: £12.60)


amd graphics incase your screen is freesync (flash card with 64 Bios for extra power without spending £100 extra)

My basket at Overclockers UK:
1 x AMD Ryzen 5 Six Core 1600 3.60GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £188.99
1 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000C16 3000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD416G30= £119.50
1 x Seagate BarraCuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM (ST2000DM006)= £59.99
1 x Crucial MX300 525GB SSD M2 2280 6Gbps 3D Nand Solid State Drive (CT525MX300SSD4)= £149.99
1 x Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3 AMD B350 (Socket AM4) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £101.99
1 x Phanteks Eclipse P300 Glass Midi Tower Case - Black= £54.95
1 x ID-Cooling FrostFlow+ 240 All In One CPU Water Cooler - 240mm= £49.99
1 x XFX XTR Series 750W 80 Plus Gold Fully Modular Power Supply= £119.99
1 x PowerColor Radeon RX VEGA 56 8GB HBM2 PCI-Express Graphics Card - Red Pack= £499.99

Total: £1,357.98
(includes shipping: £12.60)

if you like cores and rig to last a little longer... ryzen 1700 8 core-12 threads :)

you could even get yourself a screen!!!

with the Ti, £1950 all in
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/aoc-...d-multimedia-monitor-black-red-mo-047-ao.html

with the Vega
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lg-3...-super-wide-curved-led-monitor-mo-144-lg.html

DAMN that samsung!
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sams...-hdr-widescreen-curved-monitor-mo-236-sa.html
 
And yeah.. .damn that screen wow! Could get the pc now and screen in a month or two. Excuse the ignorance....6 core at 3.60 is more than enough for triple A titles?
 
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6 cores, with 12 threads yes :) but unlike Intel AMD CPU are unclocked so you can overclock it yourself to get all cores running at full speed. 3.7-8Ghz can be easily done and is worth the small effort to do :)
and is gaining you extra performance for free...or saving you £150 odd lol

and the Higher resolution you game at , the less stress on the CPU and the GPU is working harder

users on here like myself tend to quote the 8 core 16 thread Ryzen 1700 if users state they like to stream/record as this chip is much better then intels i7 7700k at a cheaper price!
if you've got the pennies for it, could up the cpu to one- in theory should last longer due to having more threads as games get better thread coding over time and now more cores are becoming standard .

if your a racing fan, puts core/thread count into some perspective - but that game is all about physical cores then threads :D

https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/software/project_cars_2_pc_performance_review/8
 
With a £2K budget, I would get a 1700 or 1700X CPU and 32GB of RAM and a fast 250GB M.2 SSD for the boot drive. For PSU, I would go for an EVGA 750W G3.
 
orbitalwalsh said:
is there Samsung B-Die ram in 2x 16GB format ? more sticks more stress on the cashe/imc
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?, I ran 4*8 G.Skills CL14 and could run @2933 but I did not notice any real difference to running @ 2133. Only benchmarks showed a difference and I don't run them much.
I would rather have 32GB than 16GB of super fast stuff but I have got used to 32GB as I have been on 32GB for 2+ years and having 16GB had a bit of stutter for some things.
 
FredFlint said:
?, I ran 4*8 G.Skills CL14 and could run @2933 but I did not notice any real difference to running @ 2133. Only benchmarks showed a difference and I don't run them much.
I would rather have 32GB than 16GB of super fast stuff but I have got used to 32GB as I have been on 32GB for 2+ years and having 16GB had a bit of stutter for some things.
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if you can get 3000hz kit for the price of 2400 - you'll always go for it haha, 3200 starts to see a price. Depends on the Build of the rig- friends Raytracing ryzen 7 1700 will knock off an hour or 2 rendering a day with the Ram speed increase- now when he renders 3-5+ days straight thats some saving- then overclocking the core to give the same effect .
Have a feeling you'd would have got 3200 easily if your kit was 2x8GB - even 3333hz with a drop to CL16

i dont think i've played a game thats taken over 16GB of ram - most ive seen is 13GB on Cities Skyline - and i do have 32GB 3600 Corsair Plat- but was £250 saving so can sell 2 stick and make profit haha

@Plec @Journey - you guys use more then 16GB for gaming only ?
 
orbitalwalsh said:
if you can get 3000hz kit for the price of 2400 - you'll always go for it haha, 3200 starts to see a price. Depends on the Build of the rig- friends Raytracing ryzen 7 1700 will knock off an hour or 2 rendering a day with the Ram speed increase- now when he renders 3-5+ days straight thats some saving- then overclocking the core to give the same effect .
Have a feeling you'd would have got 3200 easily if your kit was 2x8GB - even 3333hz with a drop to CL16

i dont think i've played a game thats taken over 16GB of ram - most ive seen is 13GB on Cities Skyline - and i do have 32GB 3600 Corsair Plat- but was £250 saving so can sell 2 stick and make profit haha

@Plec @Journey - you guys use more then 16GB for gaming only ?
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The RAM could have got to 3200 but it takes a lot of time to test and I just don't see the benefit. For 32GB vs 16GB, most of the time you would not notice the difference but if you use your pc for long periods and play several different games it is very noticeable. I was having random stutter is GTAV when using 16GB and with 32GB of RAM the stutter was gone.
 
FredFlint said:
The RAM could have got to 3200 but it takes a lot of time to test and I just don't see the benefit. For 32GB vs 16GB, most of the time you would not notice the difference but if you use your pc for long periods and play several different games it is very noticeable. I was having random stutter is GTAV when using 16GB and with 32GB of RAM the stutter was gone.
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I could see with GTA, special some of the realistic mods etc - its more the fact when you'll need 32GB for gaming, DDR5 will be out haha - and that cost of going 32GB is a lot. but ram prices are still increasing I guess

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £371.19
(includes shipping: £8.70)



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£123 diff could be changing 500GB SSD to 1TB

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £458.68
(includes shipping: £8.70)



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Love my 1TB SSD/ 500gb NVMe for games..no load times haha
 
orbitalwalsh said:
@Plec @Journey - you guys use more then 16GB for gaming only ?
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Hmm, hard to say really since my system is normally doing other stuff in the background or on the other display. I'd say under sub-optimal conditions 16GB *COULD* be an issue, but I'd hardly say it's a deal breaker for the majority of titles. It's hard for me to give a realistic example as the system I game on, when I game, is a 4770 with 32GB RAM, and the Ryzen system has 16GB bust has only been used for testing a few games, as it was not designed for that as a purpose, not that my 4770 is either.

I see no reason not to get 32GB as long as you have it at 2933MHz minimal on Ryzen.
 
Thanks for your replies guys. So its Ryzen for gaming then...won't be streaming. Only modding Im doing is Skyrim (dungeons, quests, etc). I will hang on for coffee lake just to see what the prices are and to see if the i7-7700's drop.

So far then....
1080 ti (dem 11gigs :) out of curiosity whats the AMD/Radeon equivalent?)
16 or 32 gb ram....hmm...get 16 now can add more later.
ssd or ssd m2 - will it matter for me as games will PROBABLY be stored on 2nd mechanical drive, its purely boot time and application opening time isn't it or am I being naive?

I guess the systems you guys are quoting are gaming and work horses not a PURE gaming machin per se?

Thanks again and yes @orbitalwalsh I didnt expect this response from yet ANOTHER build advice thread. That alone has secured Overclockers as my place of purchase at least :)
 
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Also just to clarify....with freesync I have to go with Radeon/AMD and gsync I have to go with Nvidia. In the words of Egon Spengler..."Don't cross the streams!" :)

Youtube scaring me now lol. Am I gonna need a gsync/freesync monitor (depending on card) with my new system? I might have missed the point but I understand a powerful card like...say..gtx 1080 Ti will turn my 100Hz led tv into a screen tearing frenzy! Is this correct?
 
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Ironmalk said:
Also just to clarify....with freesync I have to go with Radeon/AMD and gsync I have to go with Nvidia. In the words of Egon Spengler..."Don't cross the streams!" :)

Youtube scaring me now lol. Am I gonna need a gsync/freesync monitor (depending on card) with my new system? I might have missed the point but I understand a powerful card like...say..gtx 1080 Ti will turn my 100Hz led tv into a screen tearing frenzy! Is this correct?
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Intel i7 k really drop in price... Even when old, what happens is either a vendor , reseller or Intel offer rebates from bundle kits :/

Careful with fast TV hertz as they use software to run them 'fast' then actual hardware . Some TVs like that have a 'gaming' mode which drops the hurts but decreases lag times

Personally, new i5 is more tempting then i7
 
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