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noob question i know :P

The only reason i asked.. I was told that if i get Physx and Cuda.. It would be of a better quality of gaming. Im not sure if this is true.. atm im looking at the

XFX ATI Radeon HD 4870 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

good choice ? or not good choice?
 
Intel Core i5 750 2.66Ghz (Lynnfield) (Socket LGA1156) - Retail £139.12 1 £139.12

XFX ATI Radeon HD 4870 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £91.30 1 £91.30

Antec 902 Nine Hundred Two Ultimate Gaming Case - Black (No PSU) £80.86 1 £80.86

Gigabyte GA-P55M-UD2 Intel P55 (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard £75.64 1 £75.64

G.Skill Ripjaw 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000C9 2000MHz Dual Channel Kit (F3-16000CL9D-4GBRH) £68.69 1 £68.69

OCZ ModXStream Pro 600w Silent SLI Ready Modular Power Supply £49.56 1 £49.56

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache - OEM (ST3500418AS) £34.77 1 £34.77


something along those lines full rig.
 
That's a great card and a bargain price. It will work really well with the rest of your rig. Phyx really wont help out games, devs like ID have come and said it's a bit of a stupid idea, long term... but hey it's a "feature".

Personally I would look at real world bang for buck and the 1gb 4870 has that in abundance. Also I wouldn't bother waiting for the next gen of ATI cards (available in 2 weeks plus). The initial offerings will be price well above this bracket and although they will be very fast will not offer the best price/performance ratio at this time. Enjoy!
 
Wakinglimb said:
That's a great card and a bargain price. It will work really well with the rest of your rig. Phyx really wont help out games, devs like ID have come and said it's a bit of a stupid idea, long term... but hey it's a "feature".

Personally I would look at real world bang for buck and the 1gb 4870 has that in abundance. Also I wouldn't bother waiting for the next gen of ATI cards (available in 2 weeks plus). The initial offerings will be price well above this bracket and although they will be very fast will not offer the best price/performance ratio at this time. Enjoy!
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Thanks a lot mate :) well i could push the budget at bit more but im taking into a count maybe it triple channel instead of duel also will need dvd drive maybe a CPU cooler aswell more than likely :)
 
Kranox said:
Thanks a lot mate :) well i could push the budget at bit more but im taking into a count maybe it triple channel instead of duel also will need dvd drive maybe a CPU cooler aswell more than likely :)
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If you were pushing the budget up slightly you could do a lot worse than a £125 HD4890 or £150 275GTX. Depends on your resolution though.

I have an HD4890, Q8200 with 4gb DDR2 and I can push all the eye candy up to pretty much full at 1920x1080 on my Samsung TFT. Hope that helps.
 
Wakinglimb said:
Phyx really wont help out games, devs like ID have come and said it's a bit of a stupid idea, long term... but hey it's a "feature".
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John Carmack didn't write off hardware physics or even physx, he kinda skipped the question as much as possible - but he does not like ageia or anything they stand for which is why you got the reply he gave...

Physx can do a lot of good things for games if developers let it, but unfortunatly only running on nVidia cards and now the moves nVidia has made to lock out other configurations means its pretty much a dead end :( which sucks as its a fully functional and stable hardware physics API with decent performance... we'll end up waiting the best part of 2 years now for any other "standard" to emerge and mature to anything like the same level.
 
This is taken from Tom's Hardware:

How does it feel when one of the biggest developers of this era thinks your product is a big waste of time and money? That kind of opinion is like a swift kick in the groin, but that's basically what id Software's John Carmack said--not in private behind closed doors--but during a Q&A session at QuakeCon 2009 when asked about his thoughts on hardware physics.

"I think I was fairly public about my thinking that that was a really bad idea, and in fact it was pretty clear to me from early on that the whole idea for that was to do a startup to be acquired," he answered.

As he indicated, Carmack made his feelings regarding hardware-based physics well known in the past (story), stating that he wasn't a "believer" in physics processing units (PPUs), and that multiple CPU cores would be much more useful in general. He also previously said that some tasks would work just fine when GPUs finally get "reasonably fine-grained context switching and scheduling."

But his answer during the QuakeCon 2009 Q&A session seemed more like an attack on Ageia and its PhysX PPU that was eventually assimilated by the Nvidia collective. "I actually had a really quite negative opinion about stuff like that because they went out, they evangelized, they got some people to buy a piece of hardware that I didn't think was actually a good technical direction for things on there; certainly was going to be supplanted by later generations of more integrated compute resources on there," he continued. "I don't think it was a good idea, I certainly wasn't a backer of the company, and I hope NVIDIA didn't pay a whole lot of money for them."
 
Hardware physics acceleration is a much needed feature for game development - especially for "middleware" developers who don't have the time, budget or expertise to write their own optomised physics routines... someone like JC can write any specific physics routine his engine needs in his sleep and a lot more efficent than a general broad spectrum physics API implemenation...

For reasons I can't go into here tho JC purposefully didn't meet the question head on.
 
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