Now i am impressed

Mr. May · 19 Dec 2010 at 20:06

recently i picked up a Pov gtx470 on MM for £130 post to replace my 275's in sli which i have run for the last year and a half and i was happy with the power

but here's the thing in crysis warhead it always had high fps 40+ with full settings 4xAA but then would dip from now to then in big action parts i thought going to 470 would be a downgrade on the sli set up and when i 1st started it up crysis warhead reporting 24-30 fps with full settings and 8xAA but runs smooth as silk and thought overall it was a much smoother experiance so i decided to overclock as the max temps where only 82 ??

i heard so much slating that these cards ran stupid hot i wouldn't call 82 that warm for a gpu when full loaded so i upped the spec to 800/1600/2000 and my fps have gone up to 29-44 fps i amlost for words as far as overclocks go i've only ever recived a couple extra fps 5 or so never 10-14 extra

plus the card only idles at 39 all the remours off these being hot is BS cant wait to get my second tommorrow for sli

proper impressed so far :eek:

ps iam not bragging just thought i would share as i was under the impression that 2x275's would be well ahead off 1x470 thats why i decided to get 2 just waiting on the other to arrive now

RedStarRiot · 19 Dec 2010 at 20:10

good times! Nice price on the 470

setter · 19 Dec 2010 at 20:10

Done a similair upgrade myself, had 2 x 275's, switched to a 470, now on 470 sli. Clocked at 751/1502/1684. Ive had them clocked higher, (800/1600/1700) for benchmarks, however at 751 they cope with any game i play with ease, cooler running to than my stock 275's were.

Rroff · 19 Dec 2010 at 20:11

Theres a reason I don't shutup about my 470 setup

Renni 95 · 19 Dec 2010 at 20:16

glad to hear that im getting one in 6 days!!

Mr. May · 19 Dec 2010 at 23:50

setter said:
Done a similair upgrade myself, had 2 x 275's, switched to a 470, now on 470 sli. Clocked at 751/1502/1684. Ive had them clocked higher, (800/1600/1700) for benchmarks, however at 751 they cope with any game i play with ease, cooler running to than my stock 275's were.

thought it was cooler than my 275's at idle but i thought thats because of no sli atm will sli 470's run cooler than my sli 275's as i was expecting more heat ?

buttkinz · 20 Dec 2010 at 02:24

They overclock like crazy, iv managed a 50% overclock to just over 900mhz. Truly impressive fps gains for a el cheapo card that's apparently "broke"

Rroff · 20 Dec 2010 at 02:29

Nice mine top out at 850MHz 100% stable on sensible voltages with stock cooling tho I can manage many benchmarks upto 900Mz but they aren't 100% stable. Like the 200 series tho they seem to respond well if you can keep the temps down.

Big.Wayne · 20 Dec 2010 at 02:47

Mr. May said:
i picked up a Pov gtx470 on MM for £130

Yes I saw . . . flogged off your older GTX 275's for £65 a piece and used the fund to nab yourself a Fermi . . .

i thought going to 470 would be a downgrade

SLi'ed GTX 275's to a single GTX 470? . . . off the top of my head I have no idea if that's an upgrade, sidegrade or downgrade? :confused:

i wouldn't call 82 that warm for a gpu when full loaded

It's not cool but certainly not gonna break a stock speed card . . .

plus the card only idles at 39 all the remours off these being hot is BS

Is that the stock frequencies or after you overclocked the card? . . . you mentioned it ran at 82°C when loaded at stock . . . what about load temps after your 800/1600/2000 overclock? . . .

iam not bragging just thought i would share

Of course your not braggin? . . . why would you say that? :confused:

i was under the impression that 2x275's would be well ahead off 1x470

How is the overall performance of SLi'ed GTX 275's to a single GTX 470 then? . . . did you keep a set of benchdata from your old set-up? . . . would be interesting to have a comparison?

Two things that are conspicuous by absence from your report are:

Acoustics - Stock & OverClocked
Power Consumption - Stock & OverClocked

Greebo · 20 Dec 2010 at 09:10

Now I have unlocked the voltages on my 470's I can get 915 stable.

ANybody any idea how to remove the 915 core limit in MSI or is that going to be my max?

And yes, like Rroff, I can't shutup either.

GJ02 · 20 Dec 2010 at 09:11

Devious · 20 Dec 2010 at 10:53

Greebo said:
Now I have unlocked the voltages on my 470's I can get 915 stable.

ANybody any idea how to remove the 915 core limit in MSI or is that going to be my max?

And yes, like Rroff, I can't shutup either.

What voltage do you need for 915 core ?

Skyrocket · 20 Dec 2010 at 11:03

Hey these cards are no miracle cards.
They run hot and loud and are power hungry.
As you increase the Watts and Mhz the cards heats up exponentially.

To keep good clock and keep your hearing above 750mhz you will need aftermarket cooler or water cooling and A GOOD PSU.

Get the right balance and they are beautiful cards for SLI!

GoogalyMoogaly · 20 Dec 2010 at 11:12

I'm seriously considering getting 570SLI. If I do I hope my experience is similarly positive to the people in this thread with 470SLI.

If 470SLI is as good as you guys say, the guys with 580SLI must be loving it!

Skyrocket · 20 Dec 2010 at 11:18

GoogalyMoogaly said:
I'm seriously considering getting 570SLI. If I do I hope my experience is similarly positive to the people in this thread with 470SLI.

If 470SLI is as good as you guys say, the guys with 580SLI must be loving it!

the thing about 470SLI its about x3 times cheaper than 580sli.
And about 0.8 times its speed when OC decently.
THATS what makes it special.
Its a bargain bucket Fermi.

drunkenmaster · 20 Dec 2010 at 11:54

They shouldn't run very hot idle, remember most benchmarkers worth their salt will be running dual screen setups to monitor temps, speeds, watch porn on the other screen while benchmarking full screen on the other. Fermi's don't drop to silly low clocks at idle in dual screen setups or it would cause lots of flickering and problems, same things AMD get(hindsight and being THAT late helped Nvidia a little there

).

In other words, a lot of reviews would have had idle with dual screen clocks which aren't far off full clocks, still load vs idle no matter the clocks makes a big difference.

Likewise, the earliest silicon is ALWAYS the worst and power wise if you get one made say, first few weeks of 2010, vs, a few months ago, the power usage would show differing patterns, even the best chips from the wafers made in the first few weeks of the year would show pretty different power usage from the worst.

At £300 they weren't good cards in terms of value, but not bad actual cards, at £220 and below they got very good at £165 they were fantastic, though £125 5850/£180 5870's are probably a touch better value and easier to deal with temp wise in xfire. Also the only 470gtx's THAT cheap were the default cooler, the £125 5850's have a fantastic cooler and 5850's can quite easily overclock over 40%.

Basically EOL pricing this generation beats anything new by a country mile, why, normally you get a new gen circa 80% faster, at the old price points and the new cards drop to a bit over half their usual pricing. But price vs performance stays about the same.

a £125 5850 is great this gen as a 6950 is £100 more but not 80% faster, if it was a "normal" generation the 6950 would be £100 more, or about 80% more, and close to 80% faster.

So this generation is unique, same discounts with EOL pricing but no where near the usual performance gain.

Rroff · 20 Dec 2010 at 12:23

Greebo said:
Now I have unlocked the voltages on my 470's I can get 915 stable.

ANybody any idea how to remove the 915 core limit in MSI or is that going to be my max?

And yes, like Rroff, I can't shutup either.

Wonder how long they will last pushed that far unfortunatly not something thats been tested yet. 607-915MHz is an insane overclock by any GPU standards tho.

GoogalyMoogaly · 20 Dec 2010 at 12:32

Skyrocket said:
the thing about 470SLI its about x3 times cheaper than 580sli.
And about 0.8 times its speed when OC decently.
THATS what makes it special.
Its a bargain bucket Fermi.

Ah, you're talking about bang-for-buck there. Some people just want performance, which I guess would make 580SLI special too. And even then, as pointed out, don't the 5850 and possibly 5870 (and possibly 6870) have the edge over the 470 for bang for buck at the minute?

How do the 570s compare to the 470 on a bang-for-buck basis? I'm guessing they'll be worse due to stock issues pushing up prices, but how much worse?
Buy my rough calculations (based on a couple of quick reviews i read) the 570 seems to be about 25% faster than a 470 at stock speeds. So with the 470 being £200 the 570 would need to be £250 to match it bang for buck. Although it is slightly cooler and lower power so that might offset the £20 a bit.

Then of course there's overclocking and whether the £270 570 card can overclock as well as the £200 470 card.
And I think we were talking about SLI, so does the 25% performance increase remain when both cards are in crossfire? £400 470SLI vs £540 570SLI?

I am wondering if I should try to hold out with my 5870 for a bit longer and wait for the 570 stock to increase and see if any good custom coolers version come out.

Rroff · 20 Dec 2010 at 12:43

Yeah the current prices aren't so good on the 470 - a lot of us managed to get hold of them when they were <£180. Including selling the mafia 2 voucher my current pair came to £311 total including delivery and VAT.

Mr Krugga · 20 Dec 2010 at 13:07

Greebo said:
Now I have unlocked the voltages on my 470's I can get 915 stable.

ANybody any idea how to remove the 915 core limit in MSI or is that going to be my max?

And yes, like Rroff, I can't shutup either.

I hope your cards will fail you on Xmas :mad: