NVIDIA 4000 Series

[Nexus18]

Do you mean all those people who have been proven correct over time and didn't buy WAY overpriced 8GB and 10GB Nvidia cards which are now choking badly on VRAM?

Those people? They're the problem? It's much more like more like as Sly Stallone used to say in Cobra - "Skimpy VRAM is the disease, meet the cure"

Proven correct in what? That broken/unoptimised games are causing problems on pcs of all specs? Only reason gpus with 16+GB don't experience the issues to the same extent such as in TLOU is purely because they are able to avoid the actual core issue/fault here and it all comes down to consoles having a very different hardware setup to pc now thus if pc version doesn't get the right treatment, of course we're going to see issues. Unless of course again, you think that these games (hogwarts, forbidden and TLOU) are perfectly well optimised for PC and there is nothing to fix/improve?



Also, who forced people to "overpay" for the gpus? Was Jenson holding a gun to their head?

Oh btw, steam/valve are now accepting refunds even past the 2 hour play window for TLOU but nah, not the game/developers at fault, just people need to pay an extra £750+ to avoid such issues....

Again just for the record, I have said from the get go that 8GB wouldn't be enough going forward, more so for 4k "if" you wanted to be able to max settings but again, that doesn't excuse the fact that the games are the real culprits here but don't let them facts get in the way of your agenda/narrative.

When a card chokes, does it matter if it chokes on vram or just pure performance?

According to hwunboxed's TLOU test, I kid you not, a 3080 @ 1440p high or @ 4k high basically matches the 6800xt @ 1440p medium or 4k medium. The 3080 basically offers similar fps at higher quality settings. Who in their right mind would call that choking?

I've been happily playing TLOU on a 3080 @ 3440x1440 with max settings except environment texture quality set to high and with dlss performance, zero crashes since I stopped switching dlss modes during game.

Amazed likes of daru. haven't put the jitter you get when using mouse down to lack of vram yet

 

[Nexus18]

But here we are complaining about the 2-3 years old 3070s and 3080s.

I know, who would have thought that 2-3 year old gpus would have to reduce settings?! Funny thing is, people aren't making a big song and dance about the 3090, 6900xt also having to reduce settings because of the lack of grunt

Or just sell cards with adequate VRAM in the first place maybe?

Ok and let's assume they did that, would you have been willing to spend the extra £100-200 or probably more that would likely have come with having more vram on the 3070 and 3080? Clearly 24GB wasn't cutting it for all those 3090 owners who upgraded to a 4090.....

 

[Bencher]

Ok and let's assume they did that, would you have been willing to spend the extra £100-200 or probably more that would likely have come with having more vram on the 3070 and 3080? Clearly 24GB wasn't cutting it for all those 3090 owners who upgraded to a 4090.....

My guess is if they wanted to go for 20 gigs of ram on the 3080 they wouldn't be able to go so aggressive with the pricing.. Mining kinda ruined everything, but if not for that a 3080 10GB for 699$ MSRP was a gods gift. At 1440p high it performs identical (2fps difference) to the much more expensive 6900xt, while it scorches it in RT games.. I really don't know what more people can ask.

 

[Darujhistan]

My guess is if they wanted to go for 20 gigs of ram on the 3080 they wouldn't be able to go so aggressive with the pricing.. Mining kinda ruined everything, but if not for that a 3080 10GB for 699$ MSRP was a gods gift. At 1440p high it performs identical (2fps difference) to the much more expensive 6900xt, while it scorches it in RT games.. I really don't know what more people can ask.

Aggressive with the pricing!

Laughing so hard right now.

 

[Bencher]

Aggressive with the pricing!

Laughing so hard right now.

You don think 699 for a 3080 is a great price?

 

[TNA]

You don think 699 for a 3080 is a great price?

In 2020 it was yes. Today that performance should be 499 at the very most.

 

[montymint]

When a card chokes, does it matter if it chokes on vram or just pure performance?

According to hwunboxed's TLOU test, I kid you not, a 3080 @ 1440p high or @ 4k high basically matches the 6800xt @ 1440p medium or 4k medium. The 3080 basically offers similar fps at higher quality settings. Who in their right mind would call that choking?

Want the point HWU trying to make was that when you then went to ultra (where VRAM is taxed) the 3080 then drops below the 6800xt it was beating at both resolutions?

 

[Grim5]

Want the point HWU trying to make was that when you then went to ultra (where VRAM is taxed) the 3080 then drops below the 6800xt it was beating at both resolutions?

Exactly. Bencher missed the horse

 

[TNA]

Exactly. Bencher missed the horse

 

[Calin Banc]

Only reason gpus with 16+GB don't experience the issues to the same extent such as in TLOU is purely because they are able to avoid the actual core issue/fault here and it all comes down to consoles having a very different hardware setup to pc now thus if pc version doesn't get the right treatment, of course we're going to see issues. Unless of course again, you think that these games (hogwarts, forbidden and TLOU) are perfectly well optimised for PC and there is nothing to fix/improve?

I don't think they do. It's the same setup with the previous gen where from 8GB there were available around 5-6GB to the games while the rest was locked for OS. Probably now is around 12-13GB available for games.
What's different now is that they have faster storage units than the old joke that was the 5400rpm drive and far better GPUs + CPUs so they can afford to play around more with the large vRAM pool.

Anyway, unless is something really bad you still need to drop settings on older cards and in general is just best to avoid these lazy ports until fixed or completely at all.

 

[Bencher]

Want the point HWU trying to make was that when you then went to ultra (where VRAM is taxed) the 3080 then drops below the 6800xt it was beating at both resolutions?

Great, so? Play at high with decent fps instead of ultra where both cards drop to below 60? I don't know man...

 

[Darujhistan]

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[Darujhistan]

You don think 699 for a 3080 is a great price?

Nope. And that 10GB has aged like milk in RT, just like we all knew it would, and how long did it take for NV to replace it with the 12GB version? The one they should have released as bare minimum...

The 10GB card was a bait and switch, to catch all the early adopters out, all those who just cannot wait, when we all knew the full-fat (well NV's full-fat, more like semi-skimmed) version was coming. PS - AMD were already at 16GB standard, even for the weaker 6800...

 

[TNA]

Nope.

I think with the expectations you have for GPU pricing you will never upgrade. Best make the switch to consoles now unless you want an Intel ARC or something

 

[TNA]

del

 

[Darujhistan]

I think with the expectations you have for GPU pricing you will never upgrade. Best make the switch to consoles now unless you want an Intel ARC or something

I'll be upgrading in a year or two, when I get the right performance for the right price. That's what I do. I'm just not one of those people who makes excuses for NV and AMD to justify the latest card they bought because they have no impulse control.

 

[TNA]

I'll be upgrading in a year or two, when I get the right performance for thre right price. That's what I do. I'm just not one of theose people who makes excuses for NV and AMD to justify the latest card they bought because they have no impulse control.

But you will still end up with an Intel ARC with your expectations on price

 

[Nexus18]

I'm perfectly happy to skip this gen entirely, 3080 still cutting it for my needs, sure, I have to drop a setting or 2 or/and use a higher preset of dlss now to hit my FPS target but I rather do that than spend ££££ just to get a slightly better experience especially when dropping said settings end up making little to no difference anyway.

I don't think they do. It's the same setup with the previous gen where from 8GB there were available around 5-6GB to the games while the rest was locked for OS. Probably now is around 12-13GB available for games.
What's different now is that they have faster storage units than the old joke that was the 5400rpm drive and far better GPUs + CPUs so they can afford to play around more with the large vRAM pool.

Anyway, unless is something really bad you still need to drop settings on older cards and in general is just best to avoid these lazy ports until fixed or completely at all.

They have unified memory which in conjunction with direct storage makes it a very different process of how assets are loaded in/swapped, if developers are just porting these games over to pc without changing this to work for the way the PC system handles it (especially around direct storage functionality) then there is going to be problems such as what we are seeing, the only way to avoid such issues is by having overkill vram amounts such as 16/24GB (when I say overkill, I'm mainly referring to resolutions lower than 4k, you should not need 16+GB for 1080/1440P....)

The sooner PC gets on par with console versions around direct storage (with proper optimisation and not just a checkbox like forbidden) the better.

 

[Woodsta888]

Or just sell cards with adequate VRAM in the first place maybe?

They did, it was the 3090 @ x2 the price but only 10% extra perf. I'm amazed for the hate of the 3080 is still so strong. You didn't buy any of that gen nor this one.

I'll be upgrading in a year or two, when I get the right performance for the right price. That's what I do. I'm just not one of those people who makes excuses for NV and AMD to justify the latest card they bought because they have no impulse control.

Nothing to do with impulse, more needing the performance to run desired resolution and refresh rate, coupled with disposable income.

Right performance for the right price in 2 years? - 1080p for you then. 2 years time PC gaming will be affordable for the masses will it? Win Win for all then, 6090 for £300 like high end cards used to be. I can't wait.

 

[Darujhistan]

They did, it was the 3090 @ x2 the price but only 10% extra perf. I'm amazed for the hate of the 3080 is still so strong. You didn't buy any of that gen nor this one.



Nothing to do with impulse, more needing the performance to run desired resolution and refresh rate, coupled with disposable income.

Right performance for the right price in 2 years? - 1080p for you then. 2 years time PC gaming will be affordable for the masses will it? Win Win for all then, 6090 for £300 like high end cards used to be. I can't wait.

Yeah, I wonder just how many of those 4090s for example were bought by "disposable income" and how many went on the never never?

How is that 10GB card holding up now in RT? The 12GB card was the buy, smart people waited...

I bought two cards last gen actually, a 3060ti I bought for £480 during the great card drought, which I later flipped for £1100 to a miner...and then a 6700XT which I bought with the proceeds, that's how I roll...

I haven't been on 1080p since God was a lad.