NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

mrk · 2025-01-08T09:07:35+0000

Grim5 said:
since there is lots of headroom what are the odds they bring out a 5090ti?

The performance gap between the 5090 and 4090 would literally be doubled if they released a full fat Blackwell GPU instead of the cut down GPU the 5090 has - the 5090 is 25% faster than the 4090 but it would have been 50% faster if they gave us the full size, so there is lots of headroom for a new GPu

I blame AMD, Nvidia keeps cutting down the GPU more due to no competition

Waste of £Jenses, there's no competition for even the 5080 let alone 5090 so there's no need to print new cards beyond 5090 just like for literal years the 4090 remained untouched.

Rogueywon · 2025-01-08T09:17:41+0000

Grim5 said:
since there is lots of headroom what are the odds they bring out a 5090ti?

The performance gap between the 5090 and 4090 would literally be doubled if they released a full fat Blackwell GPU instead of the cut down GPU the 5090 has - the 5090 is 25% faster than the 4090 but it would have been 50% faster if they gave us the full size, so there is lots of headroom for a new GPu

I blame AMD, Nvidia keeps cutting down the GPU more due to no competition

I don't think the 3090ti set the world on fire with its sales. My sense is that they've now decided that the whole pitch for the -90 series cards is that if you buy one, you have the fastest card around for a generation. I don't think we'll see a 5090ti.

Vertigo · 2025-01-08T09:26:37+0000

So, 4090 owners, what's your raw performance threshold uplift to warrant upgrading?

If the raw figures end up around 20-25% then it's going to be very hard to justify upgrading as that won't make any game a materially better experience.
Once you get to 30%+ it becomes a bit more questionable I think.

There's also the question of the relative scaling of RT versus basic raster performance. I guess it could be that RT improves more than basic raster does.

For the record I'm not interested in any kind of FG and would never, ever use it and only use DLSS when I have no choice.

Vertigo · 2025-01-08T09:32:40+0000

How many cards Gigabyte?!

Have to say I do like the Asus TUF (my 3080 was a TUF).
If I got an AIB, it'd like be that one.

Grim5 · 2025-01-08T09:37:18+0000

Vertigo said:
So, 4090 owners, what's your raw performance threshold uplift to warrant upgrading?

If the raw figures end up around 20-25% then it's going to be very hard to justify upgrading as that won't make any game a materially better experience.
Once you get to 30%+ it becomes a bit more questionable I think.

There's also the question of the relative scaling of RT versus basic raster performance. I guess it could be that RT improves more than basic raster does.

For the record I'm not interested in any kind of FG and would never, ever use it and only use DLSS when I have no choice.

I want at least 40% raw performance to upgrade. Looks like I have to wait for the RTX6090 to get 40% more performance than my 4090

Hostile_18 · 2025-01-08T09:41:36+0000

Vertigo said:
So, 4090 owners, what's your raw performance threshold uplift to warrant upgrading?

If the raw figures end up around 20-25% then it's going to be very hard to justify upgrading as that won't make any game a materially better experience.
Once you get to 30%+ it becomes a bit more questionable I think.

There's also the question of the relative scaling of RT versus basic raster performance. I guess it could be that RT improves more than basic raster does.

For the record I'm not interested in any kind of FG and would never, ever use it and only use DLSS when I have no choice.

From my 4090 sale it's costing me +£235 so I'm fine with plus 25%, plus more/faster vram + DLSS 4. I do believe it will be a lot more than 25% though, people thought this about the 4090 last Gen based on what slides nvidia chose to show.

gpuerrilla · 2025-01-08T09:41:36+0000

ICDP said:
No but I don’t play modded games. I do tend to use upscaling if possible but that’s more to keep things cool and quiet. 16GB VRAM has not been an issue at 4K for me and I suspect it will be fine for a few years yet.

Yeah I mean we knew the 10GB and 8GB cards from previous threads but its new to me if the 4080 was having issues - but compared to the other sku's most people avoided them till the Supers followed. Thanks for coming back on that!

Ascendancy · 2025-01-08T09:44:07+0000

Vertigo said:
So, 4090 owners, what's your raw performance threshold uplift to warrant upgrading?

If it's anything less than 30% I'll have to think about it for sure. Those Wukong/Cyberpunk videos that are floating around look like it's more than that though.

That being said, I have nothing against FG and use DLSS Quality at every opportunity, so my standards are much lower

Richdog · 2025-01-08T09:46:03+0000

Captain said:
NVidia know the same suckers buy it every year regardless of price

Every 2 years.

Joxeon · 2025-01-08T09:54:00+0000

Lets have a look at how blackwell product tiering stacks up against some of the previous gens.

aeropars · 2025-01-08T09:55:18+0000

I know i'm more of a lurker to this forum than a contributor but I have to question a lot of the negative comments around this release. In what other industry to get true revolutionary upgrades? Literally none. they are all gradual and incremental upgrades. Yes, there's high prices for the top tier cards but we simply have to accept that's the word we live in. Gone are the days of £500 top tier cards.

I for one, am quite impressed with this release and will be looking to upgrade from the 4080 super. Will i then be looking to keep up to date when the 6000 series come along? Possibly. But I'll judge whether i upgrade at the time and if i dont i'll be safe in the knowledge I'm thoroughly enjoying what i get out of my current card.

Vertigo · 2025-01-08T09:57:43+0000

Joxeon said:
Lets have a look at how blackwell product tiering stacks up against some of the previous gens.

The core percentage plummet of the xx80 cards in the last two gens is remarkable.

Joxeon · 2025-01-08T10:01:46+0000

Vertigo said:
The core percentage plummet of the xx80 cards in the last two gens is remarkable.

Yeah the 80 class is now what would have traditionally been somewhere between a 60 and 70 class product a few years back.

Calin Banc · 2025-01-08T10:02:06+0000

gpuerrilla said:
I mean I know not many bought that sku but hard to talk of the topic. @ICDP have you monitored that on yours at all?

From the games that I've played, not a single issue.

If neural textures/assets are a thing and relative easy to do, I'd say it won't be in the future as well.

beachBOYken · 2025-01-08T10:10:42+0000

Being out the loop for some time, how often do Nvidia, AMD release a new complete series of cards like this new 50 series, is it a yearly thing?

Case1987 · 2025-01-08T10:12:10+0000

beachBOYken said:
Being out the loop for some time, how often do Nvidia, AMD release a new complete series of cards like this new 50 series, is it a yearly thing?

Every 2 years

Drumroll · 2025-01-08T10:13:13+0000

Mike25 said:
5080s are up on the store page with placeholder pricing of £11,999.99 and 5090s are up with placeholder pricing of £25,000.
It's nice to be able to take a look at the selection that will be available.

They may sell some at that price, I guess

xaldub · 2025-01-08T10:14:45+0000

Vertigo said:
So, 4090 owners, what's your raw performance threshold uplift to warrant upgrading?

If the raw figures end up around 20-25% then it's going to be very hard to justify upgrading as that won't make any game a materially better experience.
Once you get to 30%+ it becomes a bit more questionable I think.

There's also the question of the relative scaling of RT versus basic raster performance. I guess it could be that RT improves more than basic raster does.

For the record I'm not interested in any kind of FG and would never, ever use it and only use DLSS when I have no choice.

Hard to say exactly ... perhaps 40%+ ? Having slept on the RTX 5090 overnight, I'm now less enthused about it. Does seem to be more of a reliance on MFG to artifcially boost performance/frame rates which I'm not interested in. Like you, I don't have any problem using DLSS to maintain a respectable frame rate when required.

One other consideration is what games are coming down the pipeline that will push new hardware ? Not much on the horizon, if I'm being honest. Witcher 4 ? GTA 6 ? By the time these games come out the 6000 series of GPUs will be available. So perhaps, on reflection, I may just stick with my 4090 and skip a generation. I'm now more likely to upgrade my CPU to a 9950X3D, pending reviews.

Chud_Jenny · 2025-01-08T10:16:49+0000

Vertigo said:
How many cards Gigabyte?!

Have to say I do like the Asus TUF (my 3080 was a TUF).
If I got an AIB, it'd like be that one.

Go to around 27:30 and it's gold! AMD holding off made Jenson drop prices!
All Nvidia Fan boys are now indebted to AMD :cry:

kieran_read · 2025-01-08T10:18:49+0000

aeropars said:
I know i'm more of a lurker to this forum than a contributor but I have to question a lot of the negative comments around this release. In what other industry to get true revolutionary upgrades? Literally none. they are all gradual and incremental upgrades. Yes, there's high prices for the top tier cards but we simply have to accept that's the word we live in. Gone are the days of £500 top tier cards.

I for one, am quite impressed with this release and will be looking to upgrade from the 4080 super. Will i then be looking to keep up to date when the 6000 series come along? Possibly. But I'll judge whether i upgrade at the time and if i dont i'll be safe in the knowledge I'm thoroughly enjoying what i get out of my current card.

But what are you upgrading to?

You're spending money on hardware to upgrade what is mostly a software update with DLSS4 until we actually know the raster performance a 4000 series upgrade doesn't make much sense.

You talk about revolutionary "upgrades" on the surface yes it looks like amazing numbers, but in reality what's been announced is more of a software update than hardware.

Most negativity is from 4000 series owners, in general id say on the forums we've mostly come to accept that the days of generational upgrades are gone and now it's normally 2 ir 3 gens onwards.

Personally I love the 5000 announcement, but im still using a 1080ti so it makes sense.

I think you'd struggle to win with your position that this is a worthy upgrade for 4000 series owners on this forum, the only exception is for those who have managed to sell there cards for a great price that the cost to upgrade is negligible.