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NVIDIA RTX 50 SERIES - Technical/General Discussion

Steve Bruce said:
To be honest mate, I think you would be better going for the 5070ti. It would be a big upgrade and the difference between that and the 5080 isn't going to give any noticeable difference in performance during games and it's a 16gb card and also gives you an extra £250 in your sky rocket to go towards a good monitor.

I'm just offering an opinion, it's what you thinks best. I think the 3rd party reviews will be key to most people's decisions.
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Yes this is also a good option but I’m going to try for the 5080 FE if I can. Just worried AIB 5070 Ti cards will end up being similar costs to the 5080 FE price. Plus there’s the part of me thinking I’ve gone from a 4090 to a 5070 Ti in a matter of weeks, I still might end up going with a 5090 and a new monitor but part of me feels like the 50 series is a stop gap generation and the 60 series might be less than 2 years away!
 
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chrisgough said:
Yes this is also a good option but I’m going to try for the 5080 FE if I can. Just worried AIB 5070 Ti cards will end up being similar costs to the 5080 FE price. Plus there’s the part of me thinking I’ve gone from a 4090 to a 5070 Ti in a matter of weeks, I still might end up going with a 5090 and a new monitor but part of me feels like the 50 series is a stop gap generation and the 60 series might be less than 2 years away!
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Yeah to be fair, I forgot that the 5070ti wasn't going to have a FE varient. Imo it's the most interesting card as well, hopefully the prices doesn't drift north too much.

Im actually interested in how the amd 9070xt card benchmarks, for what it's worth the leaks are saying it could be around the 5070ti performance at a cheaper price than the 5070. So could be interesting.

I excited to see how it all pans out as I'm also looking for an upgrade
 
Steve Bruce said:
Yeah to be fair, I forgot that the 5070ti wasn't going to have a FE varient. Imo it's the most interesting card as well, hopefully the prices doesn't drift north too much.

Im actually interested in how the amd 9070xt card benchmarks, for what it's worth the leaks are saying it could be around the 5070ti performance at a cheaper price than the 5070. So could be interesting.

I excited to see how it all pans out as I'm also looking for an upgrade
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Yeah me too, I’m a sucker for Nvidia really have been for a long time. I have upgraded every generation for the last 10 years even if that means dropping a tier. Rightly or wrongly I like having the latest generation maybe this time I should have kept the 4090 and waited but I just know I would have bought a 50 series anyway. If the 5070 Ti had a founders edition think it would be a no brainer but because AIB tax can be quite heavy leaning towards the 5080 FE!
 
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Calin Banc said:
Depends how it will be on the 5xxx, but FG (2x), doesn't always give you 2x the performance. For 165fps he's most likely doing around 100fps constantly at the base fps.
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After all, NVIDIA said the new algo ported to 4k series will speed up FG there too, to be closer to 2x the performance. And yes, noticed that in some other games when at times FG goes from 80FPS to 120 only, etc. It really isn't always a given what one will get as a result, depending on the game.
 
chrisgough said:
Yeah me too, I’m a sucker for Nvidia really have been for a long time. I have upgraded every generation for the last 10 years even if that means dropping a tier. Rightly or wrongly I like having the latest generation maybe this time I should have kept the 4090 and waited but I just know I would have bought a 50 series anyway. If the 5070 Ti had a founders edition think it would be a no brainer but because AIB tax can be quite heavy leaning towards the 5080 FE!
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I have the majority of the time I've been with nvidia but I have no real brand loyalty. In the summer I upgraded my whole computer, first upgrade in 7 years and because I knew the new cards where coming out (then it was thought they could have been out late quarter 3 or before Christmas) so I upgraded from an evga 1080ti to radeon 6950xt as a stop gap and it's been very good, no driver issues etc. It was my first radeon since it's been owned by amd and only my second ever.
 
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Absolutely Clueless said:
And we as customers will receive lower prices as a result, right.....? Maybe for one generation, then Nvidia will price the FE card at the same price as the ROG would be.
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Well yes or no, This generation really stands out because the 5090 FE is a bespoke PCB with a bespoke cooler with a large number of different tooled fins which would have cost Nvidia a lot more to manufacture than any AIB cooler, so either Nvidia is selling the chips at an inflated price to AIB partners (or taking a loss on their cards) or the AIB partners are price gouging to the max
 
kazuya1337 said:
so either Nvidia is selling the chips at an inflated price to AIB partners (or taking a loss on their cards) or the AIB partners are price gouging to the max
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AIB partners were saying quietly for many years now that Nvidia sells them kit (memory and GPU together) at very inflated prices plus they can't even modify anything related to memory etc. If not for that you can bet we would see things like 5080 with more vRAM etc. Nvidia strictly controls prices, supply and spec though.
 
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jonneymendoza said:
Tdlr?
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Don't expect reflex 2 to be of great quality, it's designed for games where latency matter more than quality. It'll improve over time likely, though. Also, dlss4 on 4k series should be? same quality as in 5k series. It didn't sound very convincing though, with slight hesitation etc. But then again, I don't trust words of corporations, I need hard evidence in testing..:)
 
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Absolutely Clueless said:

Calling all DF haters. Hold onto your pants, we've got another video incoming.....
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I don't like DF and their huge bias, however this is interview with a knowledgeable person and that's always interesting. However much his employer muzzle his mouth is a deterrent matter - hence always with a grain of salt but still interesting. :)
 
The more I read about the 5080 the more I am considering going straight to a 5090 instead and stick with it for the next 4-6 years instead. I’m a bit disappointed with the measly 15% reports uplift against the 4080s. Sigh, looks like I’ll be joining the 5090 fight after all.
 
Minimalistic23 said:
The more I read about the 5080 the more I am considering going straight to a 5090 instead and stick with it for the next 4-6 years instead. I’m a bit disappointed with the measly 15% reports uplift against the 4080s. Sigh, looks like I’ll be joining the 5090 fight after all.
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Aside the general opinion that this is exactly what NVIDIA count on people to do (go for 5090 as 5080 kind of sucks), all the leaks show you might not be able to get 5090 anytime soon unless lucky on release date. Possibly it won't be as bad as crypto rush and 3080s but very low stock and price hikes are expected currently, it seems.

That said, focusing more on what has been said, NVIDIA dude admitted what many of us noticed - DLSS 3 and older, kinda sucked in many ways. Skin textures, subsurface scattering etc. - all mangled. Ghosting, blurry image, DLAA causing more aliasing instead of being a proper antialiasing etc. All of that has been admitted, they are aware, they are working to fix it and hope the new model will fix most (but not all) of these cases. In other words, once again, DLSS 3 and lower is NOT better than native, never was and can't be - straight from NVIDIA's mouth. :D Maybe DLSS 4 will? ;)
Also, FG MIGHT come to 3k series, NVIDIA is exploring that option - it's just a matter of tensor cores speed, nothing else. Same with MFG and 4k series, as again it's just tensor cores speed, no other requirements. Straight from the horses' mouth again. :) Or in other words, it's confirmed now that really very little is new in 5k series sans faster tensor cores.
 
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jonneymendoza said:
Tdlr?
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The big news from skimming is that Frame Generation with the new Transformer model runs entirely on the Tensor cores.

You know what else has Tensor cores? That's right everything from the RTX2000 and up. Bryan then confirms its possibly to do MFG 4x on older RTX cards because they all have Tensor cores.

He does say that doesn't necessarily mean Nvidia is going enable MFG 4x for older cards, but it can be done if they want to

I still wonder how long it will take for someone to find a way to force MFG 4x on for older cards, making buying RTX5000 even more pointless

 
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Grim5 said:
The big news from skimming is that Frame Generation with the new Transformer model runs entirely on the Tensor cores.

You know what else has Tensor cores? That's right everything from the RTX2000 and up. Bryan then confirms its possibly to do MFG 4x on older RTX cards because they all have Tensor cores.

He does say that doesn't necessarily mean Nvidia is going enable MFG 4x for older cards, but it can be done if they want to

I still wonder how long it will take for someone to find a way to force MFG 4x on for older cards, making buying RTX5000 even more pointless

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He also said the tensor cores from Blackwell are better than the rest, so let's wait and see.
 
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