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NVIDIA 5000 SERIES

Capitano said:
Anyone using the 40 series already and were looking to upgrade is probably going to be disappointed, but anyone with 30 series or older cards will see a notable improvement. And thats without the frame gen stuff
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But you could also argue 30-series owners are now sitting there asking why they didn't just get a 4090 rather than "skipping a gen".
 
rare said:
The power draw looks ridiculous IMO. The 4090 was impressive when it came to power draw, you can limit it to 80% power and still get excellent performance. I would be intrigued to know if the 5090 can do the same.

If you have a 4090 I don’t think the 5090 is worth it personally. And the cost for AIB cards is going to be too high.
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ComputerBase.de cover this in their (generally very comprehensive) review, it takes a 5% hit at -22% (~450W) whereas the 4090 is down by 2% at the same (~350W).
 
im just really hoping the 5090 trickles down well into the 5080 and even the 5070ti, those seem the *most* reasonable to be able to afford in a new setup
 
zedd91 said:
Honestly, not that bad

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More than double my 3090 performance. O_O
 
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AMDPower said:
If you sold it on the Bay I hope you put cash on collection and don't accept bank transfer, too many scammers.
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It's been a while since you used eBay, hasn't it? :) That's not necessary anymore. PayPal isn't even involved anymore either. And eBay is always the middle-man for payments, plus they are well insured for the fraud cases (talking from experience here), so even if someone does a chargeback (happened to me) but they got the product as per tracking and couldn't proove they didn't, eBay just deals with them directly, removes their negative comment and lets the seller keep the monies too (likely just taking it from their insurance, so nobody loses).
 
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Kind of wishing I'd pulled the trigger on a 4090FE at MSRP about a year ago now. I would have a got a much better resale on my current 3090 then too. Arse.

Thing that bothers me about this 5090 is, for the silly amount it costs, in 3-4 years when you come to sell it (if you skip a gen like I usually do) the value will tank I bet, compared to the 4090 which will definitely now hold its price well.
 
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wunkley said:
Kind of wishing I'd pulled the trigger on a 4090FE at MSRP about a year ago now. I would have a got a much better resale on my current 3090 then too. Arse.

Thing that bothers me about this 5090 is, for the silly amount it costs, in 3-4 years when you come to sell it (if you skip a gen like I usually do) the value will tank I bet, compared to the 4090 which will definitely now hold its price well.
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If you skip a gen best to buy on the new node every 4 years.
 
wunkley said:
Kind of wishing I'd pulled the trigger on a 4090FE at MSRP about a year ago now. I would have a got a much better resale on my current 3090 then too. Arse.

Thing that bothers me about this 5090 is, for the silly amount it costs, in 3-4 years when you come to sell it (if you skip a gen like I usually do) the value will tank I bet, compared to the 4090 which will definitely now hold its price well.
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That depends on what will happen with new gens. Jensen said many times, AI is the future, they can't speed up GPUs - he never mentioned issues with TSMC process, but in general with GPU design. Recent inteviews with the VP of AI at NVIDIA and we hear similar thing - it's really hard to speed up GPUs at all anymore, they hardly scale up (never mentioned process being the issue), but AI can fill the gaps.

In other words, 6k series on a better process might still bring not much with regards to raw performance, but might bring more AI toys. Hard to say currently. AMD+Sony did not claim they can't speed up GPUs - quite the opposite, at least with regards to RT/PT, they seem to have plans for new design with much faster performance. So it seems speedups ARE possible, just not a priority for NVIDIA, as that is not what they design for enterprise currently.
 
wunkley said:
Kind of wishing I'd pulled the trigger on a 4090FE at MSRP about a year ago now. I would have a got a much better resale on my current 3090 then too. Arse.

Thing that bothers me about this 5090 is, for the silly amount it costs, in 3-4 years when you come to sell it (if you skip a gen like I usually do) the value will tank I bet, compared to the 4090 which will definitely now hold its price well.
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After seeing how the 4090 has held it's value, 2 year cycles for me, until I get screwed over at some point :D

the 4090 was at it's cheapest 1 to 1 1/2 years after it's release, contributing factors like AI limitations on China etc playing it's role.

Same will hold true for 5090.
 
Vertigo said:
Which can't be taken in isolation though. You obviously save money by skipping a generation but then you've foregone the 60% uplift you could have had for the last two years :)
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Didn't need it. Same as 4090 don't need an uplift.... yet.
 
wunkley said:
Kind of wishing I'd pulled the trigger on a 4090FE at MSRP about a year ago now. I would have a got a much better resale on my current 3090 then too. Arse.

Thing that bothers me about this 5090 is, for the silly amount it costs, in 3-4 years when you come to sell it (if you skip a gen like I usually do) the value will tank I bet, compared to the 4090 which will definitely now hold its price well.
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3090 was awful value.
4090 was the big brain move.

I got the 3090....
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned so far, but TechPowerUp are showing a relatively small but not completely insignificant advantage for Blackwell in the performance hit going from CNN to Transformer DLSS - in Cyberpunk with RT enabled/Quality mode, 5090 only loses about 4% (96 vs 92fps) but 4090 loses 14% (78 vs 67, Transformer Balanced at 80fps is only slightly faster than CNN Quality). Haven't seen any more numbers comparing DLSS performance but would be interested if anyone comes across any.

If the 5080 uplift over 4080 is as much as 20% (which I think is about as optimistic as anyone is willing to be on current evidence), and if this advantage is accurate and consistent, and if 5080 availability is somehow not a complete disaster...then the 5080 may not be too far behind 4090 with upscaling, at a more attractive price given that used 4090 prices seem to be remaining extremely high. Though referring to the ComputerBase review again, it looks like DLSS4 isn't necessarily better than 3 in all scenarios at present.
 
Vertigo said:
Which can't be taken in isolation though. You obviously save money by skipping a generation but then you've foregone the 60% uplift you could have had for the last two years :)
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yes, hindsight is a lovely thing, here's what you could've won.
 
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