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Steve Bruce said:
When the radeon gpus where pulling stupid power it rightfully got massively dumped on, but when nvidia do it, they seem to get away with it.
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To be fair Nvidia did get roasted (pun intended) for Fermi and AMD did deserve the stick for the 290X reference coolers. But I do find it odd that almost 600W for a GPU is not being called out more in these reviews.

The one review that showed in a closed test that their air cooled 9800 X3D CPU got 20c hotter and the GPU was running close to 90c. That’s what people are going to start seeing when they put these into their closed case in their small spare room.
 
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Steve Bruce said:
There's likely to be a refresh in a years time with a 5080ti with extra vram with decent uplift for a relatively small price increase. They've left such a big gap between the 80 & 90 that it would be easy for them to insert a new card without much of an issue
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Yeah, if a refresh comes in on a die shrink, with more vram, at that point it could be enticing.
 
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Surely at least one AIB 5090 card is gonna be head and shoulders cooler than the FE and will end up costing a fair bit more.

It won't be 2-slot but if you are getting 10-15c cooler temps it would be worth the extra outlay?
 
ICDP said:
To be fair Nvidia did get roasted (pun intended) for Fermi and AMD did deserve the stick for the 290X reference coolers. But I do find it odd that over 600W for a GPU is not being called out more in these reviews.

The one review that showed in a closed test that their air cooled 9800 X3D CPU got 20c hotter and the GPU was running close to 90c. That’s what people are going to start seeing when they put these into their closed case in their small spare room.
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I think earlier in this thread(might be a different forum) I made that exact point about the hot air blowing over the cpu and how it affects the cpu temps especially for those on a traditional heatsink with fan.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone designs and 3d prints a exhaust to clamp onto the card and redirect the air away from the cpu.
 
cyclonus10 said:
Surely at least one AIB 5090 card is gonna be head and shoulders cooler than the FE and will end up costing a fair bit more.

It won't be 2-slot but if you are getting 10-15c cooler temps it would be worth the extra outlay?
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I think we'll struggle to see an AIB for less than 2500.
 
cyclonus10 said:
Surely at least one AIB 5090 card is gonna be head and shoulders cooler than the FE and will end up costing a fair bit more.

It won't be 2-slot but if you are getting 10-15c cooler temps it would be worth the extra outlay?
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Well 10-15c won't get you any performance really; it's all about fan noise, that's all the money gets you
 
You guys may remember the 5090's blender benchmark leak showed 35% improvement over 4090

We now have the 5080 blender scores too and the 5080 is 8% faster than the 4080 super
 
cyclonus10 said:
Surely at least one AIB 5090 card is gonna be head and shoulders cooler than the FE and will end up costing a fair bit more.

It won't be 2-slot but if you are getting 10-15c cooler temps it would be worth the extra outlay?
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The only remaining benefit of 2 slot is for SFF builds.

The other used to be multi GPU (RIP)
 
Grim5 said:
You guys may remember the 5090's blender benchmark leak showed 35% improvement over 4090

We now have the 5080 blender scores too and the 5080 is 8% faster than the 4080 super
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And other leaks also show single digit increase in performance. Unless frame gen is a big thing for you, it's really a choice on what you can buy at the cheapest price. If you can get the 4080 super for £100 cheaper, that's the card to go for. If its the same or close you might as well have the latest slightly better card.

It's generally just disappointing and I don't expect amd to buck that trend in March either.
 
cyclonus10 said:
Surely at least one AIB 5090 card is gonna be head and shoulders cooler than the FE and will end up costing a fair bit more.

It won't be 2-slot but if you are getting 10-15c cooler temps it would be worth the extra outlay?
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It doesn’t matter about the cooling solution if you don’t have a well ventilated case and room. Even a well ventilated case will hit its limits sooner due to thermodynamics due to the higher power used.

All of these open case review systems in well ventilated rooms with three minute test runs are practically worthless. Stick that 5090 into a typical PC with mostly air cooling or even AIOs and in a small box room, you will be having heat issues after a few hours of gaming. It’s just thermodynamics.
 
ICDP said:
To be fair Nvidia did get roasted (pun intended) for Fermi and AMD did deserve the stick for the 290X reference coolers. But I do find it odd that almost 600W for a GPU is not being called out more in these reviews.

The one review that showed in a closed test that their air cooled 9800 X3D CPU got 20c hotter and the GPU was running close to 90c. That’s what people are going to start seeing when they put these into their closed case in their small spare room.
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Because it is the fastest card and the AMD ones probably were not. E-PEEN seems to trump power consumption.

I think it is ridiculous though.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Because it is the fastest card and the AMD ones probably were not. E-PEEN seems to trump power consumption.

I think it is ridiculous though.
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it's a 50% negative if you have a bad power draw but it's the best but if you draw the most power and it's not even good thats when the mockery starts
 
TNA said:
Classic shanks. Everything becomes AMD not fair in your mind.

Not sure if you noticed but people like Nvidia a lot more mate. So it is to be expected?

Also, as still on the same manufacturing process this is not exactly a huge surprise considering they are all about AI these days.

Oh and have you seen the size of the die? It is huge.

Am I defending it? Nope. Just saying not exactly surprising.

End of the day it is the best gpu money can buy. Doesn't mean you have to. I certainly won't.
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It's got nothing to do with AMD. I am pointing out that either hardware be it GPU or CPUs used to get flopped if it released with worse power draw than previous generations.

Intel, AMD, Nvidia now it's all OK to push the power with very much gain to back that up.

Compare this to Samsung S25 event, while pushing the performance Samsung also mentioned the great length it went to to reduce power and increase battery life.

O but Nvidia improved the cooling it's still runs 600w though impressive.
 
scubes said:
watching the keynote and Jensen says something the performance wouldnt be there without AI does that mean they have hit a brick wall ?and they have to rely on AI for all future speed increases ?
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It would seem that is the case. Brut force increase power required to get higher performance.
Is if this is the case GPU manufacturing needs to have a serious shake up to get this under control.

Maybe in the future we buy a GPU with its fake frame performance the selling point. Buy this GPU for 4K and get 1000 fake frames instead.
 
Curtis vincent said:

Seems like there is some efficiency to be gained by tweaking the power target
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Yep cut 150w power for 6-8% less performance. Gap between 5090 and 4090 is so narrow already though, I can't understand why anyone would pay $2.5k for a 5090 and then willingly drop it's performance by 8%
 
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