NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[opethdisciple]

More on hopper here.

 

[Rroff]

More on hopper here.

nVidia MCM is coming - different to what people generally imagine though with MCM.

I think some people are going to look a bit silly when nVidia's Turing successor is unveiled.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

There were a few people saying quite recently that many would be disappointed with the new cards etc, and won't be much of an upgrade.

Nvidia have already said they're going to put more vram on the cards etc, i think they will be good upgrades, better than from 1000 series to 2000 series.. Wouldn't be surprised if each tier gets 40-50% faster.

 

[HRL]

nVidia MCM is coming - different to what people generally imagine though with MCM.

I think some people are going to look a bit silly when nVidia's Turing successor is unveiled.

So these aren’t the next gen, but the gen after that?

 

[Rroff]

So these aren’t the next gen, but the gen after that?

What is being talked about in that link isn't the next gen.

 

[HRL]

What is being talked about in that link isn't the next gen.

Cheers. So sounds like the next ones will be incremental upgrades, then the ones after that new tech and a major improvement.

 

[3t3P]

Kaap thought it would only be incremental at least with RT perf I think.

 

[Grim5]

Cheers. So sounds like the next ones will be incremental upgrades, then the ones after that new tech and a major improvement.

yes we already expected that.

the rtx3000 is architecturally a incremental upgrade. The xtra performance comes from the die shrink, adding a few thousand extra cores to the card and even possibly increasing the clock and memory speeds. we also know that Vram sizes will see a significant bump up.

in a tick tock cycle, RTX4000 will be the Tick. At least that is the rumour, and if RTX4000 uses an MCM design then that means graphics cards will move to closer to what we're seeing in Ryzen cpu architecture in terms of having multiple dies on a single card. And we know what that means, as we've seen in recent years, for CPUs it meant an absolute explosion in core counts compared to old designs like Intel uses on desktop. So let's hope we can expect the same for graphics cards.

 

[TNA]

yes we already expected that.

the rtx3000 is architecturally a incremental upgrade. The xtra performance comes from the die shrink, adding a few thousand extra cores to the card and even possibly increasing the clock and memory speeds. we also know that Vram sizes will see a significant bump up.

in a tick tock cycle, RTX4000 will be the Tick. At least that is the rumour, and if RTX4000 uses an MCM design then that means graphics cards will move to closer to what we're seeing in Ryzen cpu architecture in terms of having multiple dies on a single card. And we know what that means, as we've seen in recent years, for CPUs it meant an absolute explosion in core counts compared to old designs like Intel uses on desktop. So let's hope we can expect the same for graphics cards.

That would be great. But not exactly around the corner. Just want the 3070 to come out now.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

Cheers. So sounds like the next ones will be incremental upgrades, then the ones after that new tech and a major improvement.

Not necessarily, just look at the woeful gains Turing has over Pascal with marketing spin on RTX to hide that. What will help is AMD Big Navi and Intel if ands its a big IF they choose to challenge the high end. Personally I think they will because when one company tries to exploit a market it typically creates a gap that others try to fill. The question is timing and I've no more idea on that than anyone else including wccftech.

Imho consumers never got a Volta variant GPU, we got 'some other project'. Will 3000 series be based on Volta or Ampere or will it be a die shrink variant on Turing? I honestly don't know and I suspect Nvidia are weighing up those options themselves I just hope they pick the consumer friendly one this time and not try to sell 3000 series purely on the gains of RTX perf.

 

[bru]

Not necessarily, just look at the woeful gains Turing has over Pascal with marketing spin on RTX to hide that. What will help is AMD Big Navi and Intel if ands its a big IF they choose to challenge the high end. Personally I think they will because when one company tries to exploit a market it typically creates a gap that others try to fill. The question is timing and I've no more idea on that than anyone else including wccftech.

Imho consumers never got a Volta variant GPU, we got 'some other project'. Will 3000 series be based on Volta or Ampere or will it be a die shrink variant on Turing? I honestly don't know and I suspect Nvidia are weighing up those options themselves I just hope they pick the consumer friendly one this time and not try to sell 3000 series purely on the gains of RTX perf.

Even taking the worst rumours into account, that decision would have been made a good while ago.

 

[Richdog]

I am soooo looking foward to Ampere. We all know the 2XXX series was simply the beginning and testbed of Ray Tracing performance and I really think that Ampere is going to be a significant increase to RT capability on both desktop and notebook platforms. I am doing my best to hold out until 2020 to buy a bleeding edge rig even though there have been some great prices on RTX 2070 series laptops.

 

[shamus21]

I am soooo looking foward to Ampere. We all know the 2XXX series was simply the beginning and testbed of Ray Tracing performance and I really think that Ampere is going to be a significant increase to RT capability on both desktop and notebook platforms. I am doing my best to hold out until 2020 to buy a bleeding edge rig even though there have been some great prices on RTX 2070 series laptops.

Same here the super RTX seem like a waste of time for upgraders who have older cards in the mid to high end.

 

[TNA]

Same here the super RTX seem like a waste of time for upgraders who have older cards in the mid to high end.

Seems like a waste of time full stop to me when we know Ampere or whatever it will be called is not too far away and will bring a lot more RT grunt.

 

[Dave2150]

All I care about at this point is HDMI 2.1 to I can run an LG C9 55" OLED @ 4k 120Hz as a monitor. Either GTX/RTX/loltx or a 'Big' Navi card with HDMI 2.1 gets my money Regular monitors are too pathetic to consider anything else, and 1440P is silly at this point, when next gen consoles will push 4k to the masses.

1440P will be the new peasant resolution sooner than most think.

 

[Poneros]

All I care about at this point is HDMI 2.1 to I can run an LG C9 55" OLED @ 4k 120Hz as a monitor. Either GTX/RTX/loltx or a 'Big' Navi card with HDMI 2.1 gets my money Regular monitors are too pathetic to consider anything else, and 1440P is silly at this point, when next gen consoles will push 4k to the masses.

1440P will be the new peasant resolution sooner than most think.

I think 1440p will have even more longevity than 1080p, and mainly on account of ray tracing - image holds up great even at just 1440p even on huge screens. A lot of what's coming next-gen is going to be focused even more on effects & post-processing and even less (relatively) in terms of geometry and resolution, because the consoles can't push too much more memory bandwidth.

I agree with you on HDMI 2.1, it's what I'm waiting for too, it's just been so slow to come. Only I'd rather upgrade to a giant LCD (75-85") for cheaper, because I'm fine with a decent fald for gaming (eg XF90/XG95) and love the super-bright POP for HDR more than the great contrast from OLED (but that's subjective).

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

All I care about at this point is HDMI 2.1 to I can run an LG C9 55" OLED @ 4k 120Hz as a monitor. Either GTX/RTX/loltx or a 'Big' Navi card with HDMI 2.1 gets my money Regular monitors are too pathetic to consider anything else, and 1440P is silly at this point, when next gen consoles will push 4k to the masses.

1440P will be the new peasant resolution sooner than most think.

Not a chance. I think you're forgetting pixel density on smaller 1440p screens, besides the fact i wouldn't go back to a 60Hz screen now. Higher refresh is noticably smoother when you can hit 90-100+ FPS. so saying it will be a peasant resolution soon is a bit silly considering the fact you need fairly powerful cards to hit high FPS at a "peasant" 1440p.

Not to mention graphics will become more demanding. I'd bet a fair few games will once again be capped at 30FPS on the new consoles either selectively for the better looking games, or within a couple of years.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Any news on when these cards are due btw? Are we looking at Summer? Looking forward to the new Half Life but I'd rather get a new 3000 series card now.. and that Valve Index is tempting but damn expensive.

 

[Poneros]

Any news on when these cards are due btw? Are we looking at Summer? Looking forward to the new Half Life but I'd rather get a new 3000 series card now.. and that Valve Index is tempting but damn expensive.

Summer at the earliest (July+), but likely later. All rumours and speculation though, nothing official.

 

[almoststew1990]

I've just upgraded my screen to 1440p / 144Hz and my 1070ti is struggling a lot - not surprising really as it is nearly double the number of pixels and hoping for around double the frame rate. Some games don't reach say 100fps on low

The wait for the 3 series begins!