NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

shamus21 · 8 Jan 2020 at 19:44

One thing is for certain if the new 7nm GPU`s are going to be that good Nvidia will want to make sure they have shifted all of the old stock of RTX cards. So closer to the date keep a look out for Gibbo doing some big price drop special's

Perfect_Chaos · 8 Jan 2020 at 20:14

Just hoping Nv give us proper cards from the start this time and not milk for Super rubbish again.

3070 will be looking tasty for 1440p if it's at least 2080Ti perf.. Hoping more but not sure that's gonna happen.

shamus21 · 8 Jan 2020 at 20:22

Perfect_Chaos said:
Just hoping Nv give us proper cards from the start this time and not milk for Super rubbish again.

3070 will be looking tasty for 1440p if it's at least 2080Ti perf.. Hoping more but not sure that's gonna happen.

Yes this first RTX gen has had to many Nvidia shenanigans going on, hopefully they will give it a rest.

3t3P · 9 Jan 2020 at 00:45

Cards are always refreshed 60% of the time

D.P. · 9 Jan 2020 at 06:44

Perfect_Chaos said:
Just hoping Nv give us proper cards from the start this time and not milk for Super rubbish again.

3070 will be looking tasty for 1440p if it's at least 2080Ti perf.. Hoping more but not sure that's gonna happen.

Ehh, refreshed have always existed and with the cost of new architectures combined with the slower pace of new manufacturing nodes then refreshes will become even more important.

I much rather have Nvida's obvious refresh naming scheme so you know a 2070 super is just a refreshed 2070 rather than AMD's unhand tactic of rebranding a 290 a 390 or a 480 a 580 then a 590 which a purposely confusing to consumers.

shamus21 · 9 Jan 2020 at 07:22

D.P. said:
Ehh, refreshed have always existed and with the cost of new architectures combined with the slower pace of new manufacturing nodes then refreshes will become even more important.

I much rather have Nvida's obvious refresh naming scheme so you know a 2070 super is just a refreshed 2070 rather than AMD's unhand tactic of rebranding a 290 a 390 or a 480 a 580 then a 590 which a purposely confusing to consumers.

Very true just look at Intel Cpu`s for example.

diamount · 10 Jan 2020 at 09:13

/monitor boner said:
They already have, called them Supers

Well not or a 1080 ti owner

, 2080 ti is simply not worth it for the performance increase.

BigBANGtheory · 10 Jan 2020 at 09:35

diamount said:
Well not or a 1080 ti owner , 2080 ti is simply not worth it for the performance increase.

2080ti is not a refresh it’s a new gen, and it’s still not wort it

Satchfanuk · 10 Jan 2020 at 11:37

I'm curious where the 7nm capacity is coming from to allow nVidia to switch to that node. It has been well publicised that 7nm capacity is fully booked and has been from the start of production.

Gregster · 10 Jan 2020 at 11:55

Satchfanuk said:
I'm curious where the 7nm capacity is coming from to allow nVidia to switch to that node. It has been well publicised that 7nm capacity is fully booked and has been from the start of production.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...-will-be-7nm-and-provide-50-more-performance/

NVidia would have booked 7nm long ago.

Richdog · 10 Jan 2020 at 12:02

Satchfanuk said:
I'm curious where the 7nm capacity is coming from to allow nVidia to switch to that node. It has been well publicised that 7nm capacity is fully booked and has been from the start of production.

Eh? It's been public knowledge for ages that they are using TSMC and Samsung.

Jimmy Weirdarms · 10 Jan 2020 at 12:03

BigBANGtheory said:
2080ti is not a refresh it’s a new gen, and it’s still not wort it

Depends on what you want it for, as a machine learning card it's over 80% as performant as a V100 (4 grand card AFAICT). It's also (AFAICT) the only really capable 4K/ultra gaming card on the market.

Grim5 · 10 Jan 2020 at 12:03

Satchfanuk said:
I'm curious where the 7nm capacity is coming from to allow nVidia to switch to that node. It has been well publicised that 7nm capacity is fully booked and has been from the start of production.

It's called Samsung. TSMC is not the only foundary that can do 7nm

Satchfanuk · 10 Jan 2020 at 12:07

Well the original rumour was that nVidia were using Samsung for their next gen but with the delays to Samsung's 7nm EUV it was then announced nVidia would be using TSMC for most of their production.

That doesn't sound like it was booked long ago. It sounds, to me anyway, like nVidia might have an issue getting sufficient capacity. Time will tell as allegedly there will be some details around Aug 2020 iirc.

Considering AMD can barely meet demand and nVidia traditionally out-sell them by a factor of 4-6 then I can see issues ahead for nVidia's next gen.

This video has some detail on TSMC 7nm capacity issues and who it is allocated to. I apologise for the source, I know his voice does some people's heads in

Also, the rumour of 50% more performance AND 50% lower power seems like a stretch. Convenient that was leaked just before CES when everyone thought AMD might tease big Navi. Wonder who leaked that BS rumour. Clue: He might wear a leather jacket

Safetytrousers · 10 Jan 2020 at 12:11

diamount said:
Well not or a 1080 ti owner , 2080 ti is simply not worth it for the performance increase.

It was for me, drops to 48 fps which is noticeable, to rock solid 60fps in the game I was playing when I changed over.
And I sold my 1080ti for a good price. I don't run a car, I don't go on holidays.

Satchfanuk · 10 Jan 2020 at 12:32

shamus21 said:
You will not get both a 50% performance boost and power reductions

I love to watch Paul sum this up

D.P. · 10 Jan 2020 at 13:20

Satchfanuk said:
I'm curious where the 7nm capacity is coming from to allow nVidia to switch to that node. It has been well publicised that 7nm capacity is fully booked and has been from the start of production.

Nvidia is one of TSMCs prime customers with special relationships, Nvidia would have booked that priority a long time ago.

But in any case, I actually hear the opposite and TSMC are desperate for 7nm+ orders because Apple will switch to 5nm after the summer. It is intel that have capacity issues right now. TSMC does seem to have yield issues on 7nm, which might explain Nvidia delay and a reduction in orders.

Satchfanuk · 10 Jan 2020 at 13:26

D.P. said:
Nvidia is one of TSMCs prime customers with special relationships, Nvidia would have booked that priority a long time ago.

But in any case, I actually hear the opposite and TSMC are desperate for 7nm+ orders because Apple will switch to 5nm after the summer. It is intel that have capacity issues right now. TSMC does seem to have yield issues on 7nm, which might explain Nvidia delay and a reduction in orders.

Difficult to know what the truth is with 7nm yields. Hopefully there will be more clarity as the launch of next gen products approaches.

Dave2150 · 10 Jan 2020 at 14:32

Don't get why some people I still gaming at 1440 p resolution in 2020. The new consoles are going to be pushing 4K to the masses sand as a PC gamer I wouldn't want to be using a resolution lower than consoles at that point.

3000 series will be extremely powerful and will enable 2080ti performance at much lower prices. Plus of course the high end cards will be much faster than the 2080ti.

b00merang69 · 10 Jan 2020 at 14:36

Because 4k with highest setting is not going to get high FPS/HZ like 120-144+ (their monitors HZ).

I do not care about consoles and what they can do over my PC, they do not have the same highest setting and some always make the claim they will be really 1080p or now 4k but many games will not be.

So I will stick to 1440p maxed at upto 144HZ/FPS for now and skip 2000 series (I have a Titan Xp).

RES is not king there is more to it than that and for me the higher setting at 1400p look better esp for distance and size of my screen (27")