Soldato
Well, I haven't bought a 2 series card, so I ain't happy!
And if Nvidia take the mick with 3 series pricing, I won't be buying one of them either!
Will be looking at used cards then, and/or getting a new console.
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NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards
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Well, I haven't bought a 2 series card, so I ain't happy!
And if Nvidia take the mick with 3 series pricing, I won't be buying one of them either!
Will be looking at used cards then, and/or getting a new console.
Soldato
well if the 2000 series pricing is anything to go buy and they no ppl will pay it they will charge 2000 and upwards i reckon ..
Soldato
It's the people buying the super expensive high end cards to blame IMO.
But all cards pricing is being pushed up, so it leaves the rest of us to either buy a cheaper card (still expensive) like a xx70 or xx80.. or go without.
Screwed either way.
Soldato
Well it sounds like the consoles will be both powerful and pricey. Which means Nvidia might not feel any pressure to lower prices at all.
Only a strong product from AMD at lower prices will force their hand if the consoles don't.
Only a strong product from AMD at lower prices will force their hand if the consoles don't.
Everything I've read so far is guesswork. A lot of it is, for want of a better phrase, complete press BS (gotta sell those clicks).
Like PS5 will get an upgrade every year. Or PS5 won't be sold but rented.
All these rumours are just peddling crap until Sony decides to release some real info.
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There will always be a market for that remember the no. of units sold is hidden inside aggregated figures made public, I'd wager 2080, 2080S and 2080Ti didn't sell as many units as Nvidia hoped. Now of course I don't know how much silicon Nvidia is able to order so the whole supply demand thing is naturally having some effect on price. Where it gets nasty though is Nvidia could have IMHO given consumers a lot more GPU horsepower for the £££ but instead choose to screw people on both counts and that stings.
Forget the 0.1% of gamers that can throw 2k+ at GPUs that is just background noise to the bigger problem of what £500 actually buys you.
that 400 to 500 range is a problem currently you can see many gamers are holding on to what they have
from the steam survey 2080ti ownership is more than 5700 and 5700xt put together! That shouldn't happen, it means gamers are t upgrading in the numbers you'd expect for the price range.
And on top of that, only one rtx2000 card has broken into the top 10, the rest is all gtx1000 series
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Well yeah because once you strip away all the fluff the 2000 series gives you such a poor upgrade path for your money, the only viable option being to sell you incumbent GPU to the 2nd hand market. Whether Nvidia took the view that GPU sales in general were going to be weaker over this period (maybe off the back of the mining surplus) and decided they needed more profit per unit.... feels about right but compounds the effect.
What that shows is people with the means (or addiction) get what they want when they want and hang the consequences. It doesn't bother me personally that has always been the case but its not enough to sustain a market. 10k units of 2080Ti @ 1k a piece is 10M of which Nvidia won't see all the money and then a % is profit they might make 6M out of that... not big numbers for them. Add another zero to 100k units of 2080Ti (doesn't seem likely btw) nets 60M....
Yeah, it shouldn't happened but it shows the serious gamers (not the guy with a wife, mortgage, kids) want the greatest and its not from AMD. NVIDIA knows this so they set the high price and they buy it.
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Soldato
I read on another forum that one fella had 4 2080ti cards the failure rate must have been high think.I won’t jump in early this time if I’m going for a 3000 series.
id be interested to know exactly what he was doing to them be it overclocking, liquid cooling or having some janky psu hooked up to them as 4 seems rather dubious.
Soldato
I think it was on the GeForce USA forum I was shocked I’m on my 2nd a zotac it has been flawless.
Soldato
There hasnt been a game out in the past decade that you needed to buy a new graphics card to play. GPU tech is still away ahead of game development. In the olden days there was frequently a game that killed your GPU nowadays its rare.
Thinking about the 2xxx series Space Invaders you would have to be mad to buy a "3080ti" or a "3080" straight away till you know its not going to output Arkanoid or Pacman or something similiar.
Soldato
All this RTX hate is just an excuse to bash Nvidia. It's coming. As soon as the consoles launch we will be in the RT age proper.
AMD will have RT GPU's. The consoles will have RT and the 3000 series will no doubt improve the current RTX performance.
I imagine 2021 will be full of games supporting RT technology.
So bashing Nvidia for essentially delivering it early... and trying to capitalise on it is really just a way of justifying not purchasing a new card.
You're all be singing a different tune whilst we all have RT hardware.
AMD will have RT GPU's. The consoles will have RT and the 3000 series will no doubt improve the current RTX performance.
I imagine 2021 will be full of games supporting RT technology.
So bashing Nvidia for essentially delivering it early... and trying to capitalise on it is really just a way of justifying not purchasing a new card.
You're all be singing a different tune whilst we all have RT hardware.
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Only valid if your talking about max details and even then it isn't really valid. You want to play nearly any of the few RTX capable games, with all the bells and whistles. Well it pretty much will bring the fastest cards to their knees, hence why people say that ray tracing isn't worth it at the moment.
Obviously NVIDIA will not want a repeat of the space invader issues and I'm sure they will do all they can to avoid it this gen.
ray tracings possible first killer app will be cyberpunk2077, that is possible the first title that could sell more cards. as for consoles pushing it, it is possible and if they are getting cyberpunk it could finally be the one. and yes more is coming but first gen of a new tech is always a glorified tech demo come testing phase. 2nd gen is normally a lot better in performance and with a few titles already out they can bundle some ray tracing titles from the past year or two which ease the initial hit on buying a top end card.
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It's more than that actually. Whilst games haven't becoming massively more demanding, our way of experiencing them has via higher resolutions and higher refresh rates. The computational power to go from 1080p @ 60 FPS to 4k @ 120 FPS is massive - I know it's not as simple as 4 times the resolution by 2 times the FPS (thus 800% more demanding), but it isn't that far off that either. And when you think about it, why would you want increasingly complex, detailed scenes in a game only for that image to suffer from more jagged edges at a less-immersive framerate. Games won't become graphically immersive simply by pushing the polygon count etc. When it comes to graphics, I'd much rather play a Unreal Engine 3 game at 4k and 120 FPS than any modern day CryEngine5/UE4 etc. game running at 1080p 60 FPS.
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The only gripe I have is that some of the lvls in BFV are in the 50 with Ray tracing in and zombie army has terrible slowdowns in places makes me think are they optimised properly or is it just lazy programmers .
Soldato
Or just console ports of these games if hardly think they are really pushing the card like .
Part of me feels there might be another price gouge although I hope not. there will proabbly be a shortage of RAM/processors/GPUs but I also do wonder whether there will also be a shortage of buyers.
With coronavirus I think the majority of the public will spend less now rather than more and its definitely affected the market at my stock portfolio has dropped 20%.
However, the PC gaming community can never be underestimated for how incredibly thick and sheepish they are in regards to crying about prices and still buying. I'm sure if Nvidia market the cards well and explain there is a LIMITED supply of cards, they'll all get snapped up for a £200-300 premium and it will set a new precdent. especially if they're actually good.
I think our biggest hope for PC gaming is that Microsoft decide to just integrate their Xbox X series hardware in a generation or two into a fully fledged windows gaming PC. That would be amazing and I'm kind of surprised they haven't done that as it would have paved the way for MS-dominating the living room and potentailly REALLY disrupting apple's home presence (as all they really have is the Apple TV). imagine the xbox OS being a toggle to windows 10, and the ability to either use the easy to use MS store for living room entertainment or toggle into steam/photoshop/etc. on the fly. It would take away a lot of software sales from MS, no doubt, but I do query exactly how much they care about their XBox line making money. I've read a few times the XBOX line is more MS's way to just stay relavant and known in the home envrionments as opposed to an important stream of revenue.
If I can get an LG OLED 77'' C9, I think I'll personally just start playing at ultrawide custom aspect ratios +/- 1440p high FPS. As much as 4k is really nice and sharp, I think the cost per game is just becoming too high to be worth it on the PC side of things.
on ray tracting, i think its probably the next step forwards in graphical fidelity as i think we're really at a stage now where we're getting as good as it gets without it. however adoption will still be slow until it doesn't tank fps/performance.
With coronavirus I think the majority of the public will spend less now rather than more and its definitely affected the market at my stock portfolio has dropped 20%.
However, the PC gaming community can never be underestimated for how incredibly thick and sheepish they are in regards to crying about prices and still buying. I'm sure if Nvidia market the cards well and explain there is a LIMITED supply of cards, they'll all get snapped up for a £200-300 premium and it will set a new precdent. especially if they're actually good.
I think our biggest hope for PC gaming is that Microsoft decide to just integrate their Xbox X series hardware in a generation or two into a fully fledged windows gaming PC. That would be amazing and I'm kind of surprised they haven't done that as it would have paved the way for MS-dominating the living room and potentailly REALLY disrupting apple's home presence (as all they really have is the Apple TV). imagine the xbox OS being a toggle to windows 10, and the ability to either use the easy to use MS store for living room entertainment or toggle into steam/photoshop/etc. on the fly. It would take away a lot of software sales from MS, no doubt, but I do query exactly how much they care about their XBox line making money. I've read a few times the XBOX line is more MS's way to just stay relavant and known in the home envrionments as opposed to an important stream of revenue.
If I can get an LG OLED 77'' C9, I think I'll personally just start playing at ultrawide custom aspect ratios +/- 1440p high FPS. As much as 4k is really nice and sharp, I think the cost per game is just becoming too high to be worth it on the PC side of things.
on ray tracting, i think its probably the next step forwards in graphical fidelity as i think we're really at a stage now where we're getting as good as it gets without it. however adoption will still be slow until it doesn't tank fps/performance.